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View Poll Results: Which region has better cities
New England 43 27.04%
Mid Atlantic 116 72.96%
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Old 02-06-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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Virginia has been Mid-Atlantic since 1607.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:05 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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Virginia has been Mid-Atlantic since 1607.
I agree and it is almost exactly in the mid-Atlantic on maps.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Richmond/Baltimore
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I agree and it is almost exactly in the mid-Atlantic on maps.
Yes. It is just as Mid-Atlantic as Maryland. It has always been on the Chesapeake Bay which is usually considered to be in the Mid-Atlantic.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Richmond/Baltimore
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New England = Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine

Mid Atlantic = New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania

Everything below that is the south.
Also, Virginia is no way, shape, or form a Mid Atlantic state and Richmond isn't any stretch of the imagination a Mid Atlantic city. Never has been and never will be.
Why not, it is on the Chesapeake Bay, which actually has tributaries that run all the way into New York. Its culture tends to mixed.

Virginia and Maryland are the epitome of Mid-Atlantic. They are the states of the Chesapeake where the North and the South blend together.


In my opinion, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania are the Northeast. New York and Pennsylvania touch Canada which is the Northern Border. How can the be middle if you can't go any further north without leaving the country?
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Medfid
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Mid Atlantic = New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania

Everything below that is the south.
Also, Virginia is no way, shape, or form a Mid Atlantic state and Richmond isn't any stretch of the imagination a Mid Atlantic city. Never has been and never will be.
To echo Magicstar above, DE and MD are the epitome of mid-Atlantic for me. There’s no way you can say that Rochester or Plattsburgh are more mid-Atlantic than Annapolis.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:24 AM
 
Location: New Haven, CT
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Why not, it is on the Chesapeake Bay, which actually has tributaries that run all the way into New York. Its culture tends to mixed.

Virginia and Maryland are the epitome of Mid-Atlantic. They are the states of the Chesapeake where the North and the South blend together.


In my opinion, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania are the Northeast. New York and Pennsylvania touch Canada which is the Northern Border. How can the be middle if you can't go any further north without leaving the country?
There's no blended culture in Virginia. Virginia is 100% a southern state. Virginia has ham. Virginia has peanuts. Virginia has a large African-American population and African-American colleges. Virginia has accents. Virginia is extremely rural. There are places where you can drive upon miles and miles and see nothing but a single house. It's slower paced. Virginia still celebrates Confederate History month. Richmond was literally the Capital of the Confederacy; the city is plasted with Confederate statues. There are tons of streets and places named after Confederate soldiers in Northern Virginia. Richmond itself is a majority African-American city and isn't diverse in the slightest. Virginia is literally right beside Kentucky(a southern state) and is virtually identical to North Carolina(another southern state). Virginia has incidents like Charlottesville and now controversy with it's governor. Oddly enough, Southern States Cooperative headquarters are right there in Richmond. Virginia is below the Mason-Dixon line and Census Bureau places Virginia in the south not the Mid Atlantic. Virginia has nothing in common with Pennsylvania or New Jersey. It's southern to it's core.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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Leaving out New Haven, Bridgeport, Hartford, Manchester, Worcester, Nashua, etc. is hilarious, and it's obvious why.
How's it hilarious? I would hope the reason is obvious - the criteria for the whole thread is "best cities." These are not the best cities in New England. Each one of them has redeeming qualities and merits, but nobody would lump them in (well, maybe New Haven and Worcester which have a lot of great features) with the best of the region. Nobody says "Going to New England?! You really just HAVE to stop into Nashua!"
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Richmond/Baltimore
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There's no blended culture in Virginia. Virginia is 100% a southern state. Virginia has ham. Virginia has peanuts. Virginia has a large African-American population and African-American colleges. Virginia has accents. Virginia is extremely rural. There are places where you can drive upon miles and miles and see nothing but a single house. It's slower paced. Virginia still celebrates Confederate History month. Richmond was literally the Capital of the Confederacy; the city is plasted with Confederate statues. There are tons of streets and places named after Confederate soldiers in Northern Virginia. Richmond itself is a majority African-American city and isn't diverse in the slightest. Virginia is literally right beside Kentucky(a southern state) and is virtually identical to North Carolina(another southern state). Virginia has incidents like Charlottesville and now controversy with it's governor. Oddly enough, Southern States Cooperative headquarters are right there in Richmond. Virginia is below the Mason-Dixon line and Census Bureau places Virginia in the south not the Mid Atlantic. Virginia has nothing in common with Pennsylvania or New Jersey. It's southern to it's core.
First of all, Virginia a lower proportion of African Americans than Maryland, Delaware, and North Carolina. If Virginia were as Southern as you claim it to be, than why are African Americans in Virginia not nearly as poor as African Americans further south? Why do cities in Virginia have Rowhouses? North Carolina does not have any rowhouses. Very few cities in the south have any rowhouses. Also North Carolina has a Gullah population. It is small but not state North of North Carolina has one. It is a Southern thing.

How do explain Richmonds Jewish population? Richmond historically had the forth highest proportion of Jewish residents in the country with over 25% of merchants in Richmond being Jewish. Today, Richmond city still has the highest percentage of Jewish people in the State and it is majority African American. Neighborhoods such as Carver and Sauers Garden were founded and settled by Jewish and German Immigrants. Richmond has an abundance of its culture that came from a wave of immigration in the 1800s.

Richmond historically had more industry than the rest of the South combined. Not to mention that Cotton (The most iconic Southern crop) was not grown in this region.

Richmond also voted against joining the confederacy.

Virginia actually has the highest population density in the South outside of Maryland and Delaware. The south also is not the most rural area of the country. So your opinion on how rural Virginia is is subjective.


While most of what you said is true, Richmond also has a much different culture than areas further south. That is what makes it a mix.


Lastly, the Mason Dixon line settled a border dispute. Maryland and Delaware are also below the line and are included in the South by the US census. The Chesapeake Bay is the most defining factor of Virginias Geography. It is what has defined Virginia culture since its founding. Obviously, Virginia is in whatever region the Chesapeake Bay is in. Most sources say that the Bay is in the Mid-Atlantic.

So please do not make comments based on facts that have been taken out of context. Instead of reading the basic facts. Read some in-depth articles and look in between the lines to figure out the whole truth. Never judge a book by its cover.

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ISJL - Virginia Richmond Encyclopedia - Goldring/Woldenberg Institute of Southern Jewish Life
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Leaving out New Haven, Bridgeport, Hartford, Manchester, Worcester, Nashua, etc. is hilarious, and it's obvious why.
People hate southern New England cities. When people talk about the beauty and positives of New England they’re talking about posing iby cities in homogenous ME VT NH-then they’re talking about Downton Boston and Cambridge. The vast majority of Boston and any other Southern New England city are places people don’t even acknowledge-it’s comical really as 11 million of the 14 million people in New England live in Southern New England.

No one from out of New England is talking about Waterbury and New Bedford let alone visiting.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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MD DE DC are mid Atlantic. Virginia is southern.
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