Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The traffic would be so much worse without the transit. Not to mention that so many transit systems are still in the process of expansion.
Agreed traffic congestion is a bi-product of population clusters. It's unaviodable, even the cities with the best transit systems still have pretty notable congestion.
Public transit does not mean you are ahead if you still have horrible traffic...
Hasn't it been proven that public transit does NOT solve traffic congestion? It is to provide an alternative. NYC has God awful traffic congestion but you don't have to deal with it if you choose to use their robust mass transit system.
Atlanta, Miami, and basically the whole Sunbelt aside from SF has poor transit commute shares according to the Census ACS. (Seattle outdoes all of those cities by a large margin except SF.)
If you mean popular culture, Altanta and Miami loom large. If you mean the typical array of institutions, my impression is that they underperform for cities of six million.
Where on acs did you pull up those stats. I’ve tried everything on there but can’t seem to navigate that site.
My personal pick for underperformance is Tampa Bay. With adjacent metros (Sarasota + Lakeland) there are well over four million in the greater TB area and not even the remote glimmer of decent local or regional public transportation options. The decentralized setup of the area (and competition between Tampa/Hillsborough County and St. Petersburg/Pinellas County) certainly hasn't helped anyone get on the same page for anything. I've lived in or near Tampa, Charlotte, Denver and Seattle, and while the population continues to grow rapidly in TB, it continues to be overshadowed by smaller metros that get their act together. Then again, as I was just discussing on another thread, it almost seems like many of the people there don't really care!
My personal pick for underperformance is Tampa Bay. With adjacent metros (Sarasota + Lakeland) there are well over four million in the greater TB area and not even the remote glimmer of decent local or regional public transportation options. The decentralized setup of the area (and competition between Tampa/Hillsborough County and St. Petersburg/Pinellas County) certainly hasn't helped anyone get on the same page for anything. I've lived in or near Tampa, Charlotte, Denver and Seattle, and while the population continues to grow rapidly in TB, it continues to be overshadowed by smaller metros that get their act together. Then again, as I was just discussing on another thread, it almost seems like many of the people there don't really care!
Tampa Bay is weird.
Downtown Tampa isn't even the most developed downtown in its own MSA. That goes to St-Pete, by a long shot. I agree with you.
Tampa Bay is weird.
Downtown Tampa isn't even the most developed downtown in its own MSA. That goes to St-Pete, by a long shot. I agree with you.
Yeah, downtown Tampa is a very sleepy downtown and highly underdeveloped. Hopefully, that multibillion-dollar waterfront project injects some life and energy to the downtown area.
I quoted it from another poster that I was replying to. I thought it meant general cultural influence + pop culture and things like that, but actually it looks like they meant something else by that:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhays25
The key is "IMO".
Atlanta, Miami, and basically the whole Sunbelt aside from SF has poor transit commute shares according to the Census ACS. (Seattle outdoes all of those cities by a large margin except SF.)
If you mean popular culture, Altanta and Miami loom large. If you mean the typical array of institutions, my impression is that they underperform for cities of six million.
We all have different ways of interpreting this question, but I still think Miami and ATL are ahead by building the rapid transit systems out of foresight, even if they’re underutilized. If they’re smart about infill and TOD development and zoning around the transit stops, they can do a lot of great things. Miami is building lots of high density housing but still could use some work on the street level.
We all have different ways of interpreting this question, but I still think Miami and ATL are ahead by building the rapid transit systems out of foresight, even if they’re underutilized. If they’re smart about infill and TOD development and zoning around the transit stops, they can do a lot of great things. Miami is building lots of high density housing but still could use some work on the street level.
I agree with this. "Underutilized" doesn't change the fact that they are there to use. When I'm in Atlanta, I use the MARTA trains. They cover a pretty extensive network, and are frequent enough. I guess some people enjoy sitting in traffic on the Connector to go a few miles from downtown to Buckhead...
Where on acs did you pull up those stats. I’ve tried everything on there but can’t seem to navigate that site.
It's a horrible website, designed (apparently) to be impenetrable except by experts. I've learned to do some basic things only. One key is going to the "advanced search" section to pick different geographic types like CSAs and census tracts.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
