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Well it's certainly not American, as you claimed, either. You never spent more than a few days there, you have no credibility on the subject PERIOD.
I have posted a stat to back me up. But it's really self evident to anyone whose been there. How many generations removed from the continent can you be and claim the culture? When you don't even speak the language? When you are mixed yourself and don't even know what exactly went into it?
And I find that melting pot to be distinctly American. How portions of the east-coast are a blend of Italian-Irish. How the midwest is a blend of German-Irish. How the southwest is a unique blend of Spanish-Mexican and German.
There are plenty of unique states using that logic. Does New Mexico feel american to you? How about Louisiana? How about Connecticut? All of which have faint foreign influence woven into an American fabric. Miami doesn't have that actually, it's more culturally connected to Latin America than the rest of the states. Honolulu isn't connected to Asia, and I wouldn't say the rest of the pacific islands either. Connecticut isn't connected to Italy or Ireland more than the rest of the states. New Mexico isn't connected to Mexico more than it is to the USA.
But whatever, I'm speaking to someone culturally disconnected anyway. You're an American through and through and you just don't get it. To you it's all about superficialities (race, food)
It doesn't matter what I say when I'm talking to a stubborn brick wall all butthurt Miami didn't win a meaningless C-D poll. Honolulu is one of the most culturally unique cities in the US along with Miami. No claimed Miami wasn't unique as well, even though you keep acting like it, nor if it is more or less culturally unique compared to Honolulu. Miami's unique culture has nothing to do with how unique Honolulu is. Honolulu is anything but your typical average American city and that is the point you fail repeatedly to understand.
It doesn't matter what I say when I'm talking to a stubborn brick wall all butthurt Miami didn't win a meaningless C-D poll. Honolulu is one of the most culturally unique cities in the US along with Miami. No claimed Miami wasn't unique as well, even though you keep acting like it, nor if it is more or less culturally unique compared to Honolulu. Miami's unique culture has nothing to do with how unique Honolulu is. Honolulu is anything but your typical average American city and that is the point you fail repeatedly to understand.
We could enter a whole host of American cities as unique as Honolulu if you wanted. I can think of at least 20 right now as unique if not more so than Honolulu.
But, re: butthurt Miami didn't win a meaningless C-D poll
I don't care about that. If you remember how this whole thing got started. You posted a couple pics of Hawaii and became all wet with how it's paradise on earth but the only drawback is it's isolated.
I agreed with you, and then added that the poll shows how strong people on CD hate on Miami. You then launched into defense mode and went back tit and tat.
How did we get to talking about San Diego, LA, Buffalo, and Philly on this forum? lol
Interesting poll, I've spent time in both. My husband's family owns a timeshare in Hawaii and one of my good friends lives in South Beach.
I love the nature and topography of Hawaii, it's one of my favorite places to visit and feels like a paradise. Honolulu is a nice city. I also enjoy South Florida everytime I visit. I think both regions have beautiful scenery, but I like Hawaii's a bit more because of the topography.
But to live, I have to chose Miami despite the problems. As stated Miami is a much larger city and offers much more amenities for everyday life than Honolulu. Plus Honolulu is way too isolated for me and the COL is very high. The economy is more diversified in Miami. Even though I like I Hawaii's scenery better, I like the Latin/Caribbean culture and vibe better than the Polynesian culture and vibe.
In terms of crime and poverty, yes Miami has a higher rate. But it baffles me when people say they dislike a city solely based on it's crime rate. Crime is usually concentrated in certain areas of cities, so just avoid those sections. If I moved to Miami I'm certainly not going to be living in the ghetto or near it. There are plenty of nice, safe sections of Miami and it's metro area where one can avoid most violent crime such as Coral Gables, South Beach, Pinecrest, Fisher Island, Star Island, Weston, Aventura. I used to live in Baltimore, which statically has more crime than Miami and I've never been a victim of crime because I avoided the ghettos and lived in safe area.
As for the Honolulu having a higher household income than Miami, well the COL is generally a lot higher in Hawaii so it would make sense for the average household income to be much higher.
Both are nice cities located in beautiful, unique regions. I would rather live in Miami, but I can understand why people would prefer Honolulu. No right or wrong answer, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
As for the Honolulu having a higher household income than Miami, well the COL is generally a lot higher in Hawaii so it would make sense for the average household income to be much higher.
Those statistics are misleading because Miami is a far, bigger and more diverse city. Yes, Miami has more higher paying jobs but it also has a high foreign born population who work for pennies or not at all.
If you compre Honolulu to other big cities like Los Angeles and NYC, Honolulu comes across as having a higher per capita income per person or per family for the same reason.I've been using Omaha as an example throughout this thread, and again Omaha has a higher per capita income than Los Angeles despite having a much lower COL. Of course, Omaha has a very small and specific job market. It's very hard for anyone moving to Hawaii to get a job. Neither Omaha or Hawaii attract immigrants the way NYC, LA and MIA do.
The same reason Miami is culturally Latin and Hawaii is just culturally bland (with some polynesian influence admittingly) is the same reason Miami has a lower per capita income-the foreign born population many of which who are unskilled immigrants.
Anyways, good points re crime. I never moved to a place where crime meant anything to me and I lived in Detroit.
Here is a list of per capita income (by person, for city propers 2009, I included some well known ghettos and wealthy areas as a point of comparison):
Bloomfield Hills, MI (89,890)
Beverly Hills (62,250)
Manhattan (61,992)
San Francisco (44,038)
Washington, DC (40,797)
Seattle (40,743)
Atlanta (36,912)
Charleston, WV (33,964)
Boston (33,889)
Anchorage (33,498)
Charlotte (31,270)
San Jose (31,224)
San Diego (31,140) Honolulu (30,917) New York City (30,885)
Oakland (30,327)
Denver (29,878)
Santa Fe (29,669)
Staten Island (29,555)
Austin (29,233)
Portland (29,137)
Raleigh (28,775)
Minneapolis (28,131)
Madison (28,129)
Charleston, SC (28,043)
Chicago (27,138) Omaha (26,377)
Tampa (26,154) Los Angeles (26,096)
Nashville (25,964)
Dallas (25, 941)
Queens (25,731)
Houston (25,563)
Wilmington, NC (25,465)
Pittsburgh (25,109)
Orlando (24,759)
Albuquerque (24,597)
Las Vegas (24,246)
Jacksonville (23,694)
Cincinnati (23,593)
New Orleans (23,475)
Brooklyn (23,472)
Baltimore (23,267)
Wilmington, DE (22,732)
Chattanooga (22,351)
Phoenix (22,209)
Philadelphia (21,661)
St. Louis (21,208)
San Antonio (21,053)
Buffalo (20,003)
Stockton (19,639) Miami (19,449)
Memphis (19,388)
Birmingham (19,157)
Savannah (19,021)
Jackson (18,579)
Milwaukee (18,290)
El Paso (17,580)
Bronx (17,215)
Cleveland (15,583)
Gary (15,560)
Flint (14,996)
Detroit (14,213)
Compton (13,092)
East St. Louis (12,881)
Camden (12,808)
Opa-Locka,FL (11,483)
Highland Park, MI (11,132)
Here is a list of per capita income (by person, for city propers 2009, I included some well known ghettos and wealthy areas as a point of comparison):
Bloomfield Hills, MI (89,890)
Beverly Hills (62,250)
Manhattan (61,992)
San Francisco (44,038)
Washington, DC (40,797)
Seattle (40,743)
Atlanta (36,912)
Charleston, WV (33,964)
Boston (33,889)
Anchorage (33,498)
Charlotte (31,270)
San Jose (31,224)
San Diego (31,140) Honolulu (30,917) New York City (30,885)
Oakland (30,327)
Denver (29,878)
Santa Fe (29,669)
Staten Island (29,555)
Austin (29,233)
Portland (29,137)
Raleigh (28,775)
Minneapolis (28,131)
Madison (28,129)
Charleston, SC (28,043)
Chicago (27,138) Omaha (26,377)
Tampa (26,154) Los Angeles (26,096)
Nashville (25,964)
Dallas (25, 941)
Queens (25,731)
Houston (25,563)
Wilmington, NC (25,465)
Pittsburgh (25,109)
Orlando (24,759)
Albuquerque (24,597)
Las Vegas (24,246)
Jacksonville (23,694)
Cincinnati (23,593)
New Orleans (23,475)
Brooklyn (23,472)
Baltimore (23,267)
Wilmington, DE (22,732)
Chattanooga (22,351)
Phoenix (22,209)
Philadelphia (21,661)
St. Louis (21,208)
San Antonio (21,053)
Buffalo (20,003)
Stockton (19,639) Miami (19,449)
Memphis (19,388)
Birmingham (19,157)
Savannah (19,021)
Jackson (18,579)
Milwaukee (18,290)
El Paso (17,580)
Bronx (17,215)
Cleveland (15,583)
Gary (15,560)
Flint (14,996)
Detroit (14,213)
Compton (13,092)
East St. Louis (12,881)
Camden (12,808)
Opa-Locka,FL (11,483)
Highland Park, MI (11,132)
The other point to make re: per capita income is that these numbers are based on city propers only, which is particularly meaningless in the case of Miami where only about 7% of the metro area lives in the city of Miami and almost all of the middle class and above residential areas are outside the narrow city limits. Metro Miami is clearly and visibly a much more affluent urban area than Honolulu notwithstanding the per capita income figures.
The other point to make re: per capita income is that these numbers are based on city propers only, which is particularly meaningless in the case of Miami where only about 7% of the metro area lives in the city of Miami and almost all of the middle class and above residential areas are outside the narrow city limits.
That's true, but to Sav's credit he did post MSA vs MSA and Honolulu still emerged on top (but nowhere near as dramatic). I used city proper's since the information was easier to come by and I didn't feel like spending time digging.
But MSA Miami is still 5 times as big as MSA Honolulu. They're not in the same category or even ballpark to be compared like that. Miami offers far more options for employment, including higher paying jobs than Honolulu. In the process it attracts a lot of immigrants. The rest is history. Honolulu has basically no economy outside military and tourism.
One more thing, notice how high Charleston, WV is on the list. This is why comparisons for far much smaller cities doesn't make sense.
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