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View Poll Results: Most overrated city in the US
New York City 340 21.82%
Los Angeles, California 336 21.57%
Atlanta, Georgia 351 22.53%
Orlando, Florida 243 15.60%
Washington, D.C. 107 6.87%
Miami, Florida 197 12.64%
Chicago, Illinois 163 10.46%
San Francisco, California 168 10.78%
Austin, Texas 298 19.13%
Las Vegas, Nevada 269 17.27%
Honolulu, Hawaii 73 4.69%
Other 135 8.66%
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 11 0.71%
New Orleans, Louisiana 9 0.58%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 1558. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-29-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Lifeshadower View Post

I've been noticing this trend lately; why are the Philadelphia homers on this site so intent on picking on San Francisco, especially since SF is nearly 3000 miles away from you while cities like DC, NYC, and Boston are right on your block?

I also notice that the complaints they lodge about San Francisco and the Bay Area is noticeably absent when it comes to Los Angeles. I admit, as an LA resident who lived in the Bay Area for the past 3 years it got to be annoying sometimes to be told how much better the Bay Area was than LA, but it never really got to be that bad.

And where did you get 150 years of history?
Presidio of San Francisco - History & Culture (U.S. National Park Service)


Let's do some basic math here;
2010-1776= 234 years!
2010-150=1860

Gee, looks like you were off by some 84 years. While it isn't as old as the East Coast settlements, since most were founded 100 years before San Francisco's Presidio, these are all young in the bigger scheme of things. That's what makes America so exciting since its such a young country with a young culture that is still searching itself.

Of course, you COULD neglect the fact that the Presidio was built because of the fear of Russian Expansion further down the California coast, making it the southernmost area in the contiguous United States that was under Russian control, but that would be intellectual honesty!

Fort Ross SHP


Only 84 miles separated the two settlements (but closer to 70 as the crow flies)
Fort Ross, Sonoma, California to Presidio of San Francisco - Google Maps

Every city, to an extent, is over hyped because we all have different tastes. But you can't distort the truth in order to gain a one up, nor can you ignore other parts of history because you don't like it. That's not studying history.
Where are the russians now?

Thats like saying Phoenix has history because it was inhabited by natives a thousand years ago.

The west coast did not really become a significant world player until the gold rush.

We don't pick on our BoshWash bretherin, because they all know who they are.

SF should humble itself.

 
Old 04-29-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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In any case, we got what we came for (the gold), and brought it back to NYC, and that was the beginning of NYC's dominance.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The west coast did not really become a significant world player until the gold rush.
That's what I'm talking about too - significant U.S. history that most people know about.

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Old 04-29-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Not one person made a good case for why nyc is ovverated. Cuz it isnt , its better has more entertainment just about more everything than anywhere in the world. If nyc doesnt meet your standards of "hotness" than no city in the world will. Like the other guy said nyc, chi-town are as good as you think they are. Anybody saying chicago is krazy if anything chicago is heavily underated
I picked Miami,and L.A.but New York is up there also.
First off this is a subjective question.Its really not set in stone.Only an opinion.
Too many people.Having a city that packed is good due to diversity but space wise,things are just too close.Small living quarters just is not cute no matter how many subways and things you can walk to.

Having more or less world renowned anything means nothing if you have never even had the basics.Those things can be discovered in the smallest of places.So to simply have "better or more" is relative to who is seeking what,when,how,and for How Long and How much.

Apparently as many people are moving out as much are moving in so that can be read a number of ways.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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That's what I'm talking about too - significant U.S. history that most people know about.
That's because the East coast history has a lot to do with our independence, just because it was the involvement in establishing our country doesn't make it the most historic place in the country.
The significant US History that you're referring to are the ones we're taught in school, but there really aren't many courses about Texas History, or the Bear Flag Republic and it's history. We just roam about talking and discussing the history that we've been keen to learning since elementary school here.

The truth is, the history of many of the regions in the southwest and west coast are often overlooked upon, because people view them as "insignificant" to the massive events that led to the "civil war" and "the revolution".

California was establish long before the gold rush, the area was home to large number of tribes of Native Americans. I think about 55+. The Spanish Missionaries, the Mexican Influence and being apart of Mexico, and nearby Arizona being the home of Montazuma, and his empire that suddenly vanished without any trace, leaving behind only their cities and architecture.

California and the other regions of the west coast are very rich in history, and they've been rich in history long before the "Gold Rush". It wasn't as much of a reason as the Gold Rush as it was for "Manifest Destiny" that California was established. Manifest Destiny was the real reason California was established by the US. The belief that the country can stretch from the Pacific to the Atlantic one day. The favorable climate also brought in a lot of attention and then finally the Gold Rush came into affect. It wasn't the primary reason for California becoming a world player.
The idea of Manifest Destiny was fueled by the thought of connecting to Asian markets for the Spice Trade and other Asian goods with an easier access from the Pacific Ocean. That idea is still there today, which is what's leading The Bay Area and especially the LA area to a larger significant role in US trade.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Tribeca, New York City
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Also San Fran. How/why do people compare a place with barely 150 years under its belt, with any east coast city.

NYC has more character in one block, than the whole city of SF.
So Kirkuk, Iraq (3000 B.C.) must be superior to New York City, right?

History is a plus, but I'd put San Francisco ahead of Philadelphia, Baltimore, Boston and DC any day.

The only East Coast city superior to San Francisco is New York City.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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So Kirkuk, Iraq (3000 B.C.) must be superior to New York City, right?

History is a plus, but I'd put San Francisco ahead of Philadelphia, Baltimore and DC any day.

The only East Coast city superior to San Francisco is New York City.
The history people normally remember is how Alexander the Great managed to expand his empire all the way to the Hindu Kush Mountains and founded Kyber Pass which led to exploration of South Asia.

But they won't have ever heard of How Genghis Khan established a larger and more unified empire than Alexander the Great. Or how one of the oldest civilizations is Mesopotamia, the region that is currently between the Tigres and Euphorate Rivers in present day Iraq. Most would remember Iraq history simply for overthrowing Saddam because that is what they are "taught excessively" and have seen in the "media".

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Old 04-29-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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So Kirkuk, Iraq (3000 B.C.) must be superior to New York City, right?

History is a plus, but I'd put San Francisco ahead of Philadelphia, Baltimore, Boston and DC any day.

The only East Coast city superior to San Francisco is New York City.
San Fran better than DC.

Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Tribeca, New York City
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Originally Posted by killakoolaide View Post
San Fran better than DC.

Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day.
Washington DC is boring.

The East Coast has better cities but San Francisco is an exception.
 
Old 04-30-2010, 12:58 AM
 
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That's because the East coast history has a lot to do with our independence, just because it was the involvement in establishing our country doesn't make it the most historic place in the country.
The significant US History that you're referring to are the ones we're taught in school, but there really aren't many courses about Texas History, or the Bear Flag Republic and it's history. We just roam about talking and discussing the history that we've been keen to learning since elementary school here.

The truth is, the history of many of the regions in the southwest and west coast are often overlooked upon, because people view them as "insignificant" to the massive events that led to the "civil war" and "the revolution".

California was establish long before the gold rush, the area was home to large number of tribes of Native Americans. I think about 55+. The Spanish Missionaries, the Mexican Influence and being apart of Mexico, and nearby Arizona being the home of Montazuma, and his empire that suddenly vanished without any trace, leaving behind only their cities and architecture.

California and the other regions of the west coast are very rich in history, and they've been rich in history long before the "Gold Rush". It wasn't as much of a reason as the Gold Rush as it was for "Manifest Destiny" that California was established. Manifest Destiny was the real reason California was established by the US. The belief that the country can stretch from the Pacific to the Atlantic one day. The favorable climate also brought in a lot of attention and then finally the Gold Rush came into affect. It wasn't the primary reason for California becoming a world player.
The idea of Manifest Destiny was fueled by the thought of connecting to Asian markets for the Spice Trade and other Asian goods with an easier access from the Pacific Ocean. That idea is still there today, which is what's leading The Bay Area and especially the LA area to a larger significant role in US trade.
This post is SOOOOO true. The history of states like Cali, Texas and other states west of the Mississippi which is the history of Spanish Conquistadors, Missions, The California Gold Rush, Asian Railroad Workers, Westward Expansion, The Alamo and Texas Independence, Mexican States, The BOTH Spanish and Mexican Era Southwest(TX, CA, NM, AS, NV, CO etc), Native Americans, Desperadoes, Outlaws, Vaqueros, etc, are just as interesting(maybe even more interesting) as the Colonial American/British/Northern European Anglo-Saxon dominated history of the East-coast.
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