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View Poll Results: Which city has the best light rail system?
San Diego, California 20 8.89%
San Francisco, California 41 18.22%
Baltimore, Maryland 16 7.11%
Boston, Massachusetts 51 22.67%
Austin, Texas 2 0.89%
Denver, Colorado 24 10.67%
Dallas, Texas 29 12.89%
Houston, Texas 13 5.78%
Buffalo, New York 3 1.33%
Portland, Oregon 51 22.67%
St. Louis, Missouri 20 8.89%
Salt Lake City, Utah 10 4.44%
New Orleans, Louisiana 3 1.33%
Los Angeles, California 24 10.67%
Minneapolis, Minnesota 15 6.67%
Sacramento, California 8 3.56%
Other 16 7.11%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 225. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-31-2012, 10:29 PM
 
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That joke has the second highest ridership per mile in the US. show how much you know

at least ours get good use, unlike all the empty rails around the country
It has like 37K boardings per day (likely 18k people using it) though is pretty good on ridership per mile at like 5K comparable to MARTA in Atlanta (Just 1/10th the passengers) on that metric. Will that level of ridership be maintained with the expansion

http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:31 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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That joke has the second highest ridership per mile in the US. show how much you know

at least ours get good use, unlike all the empty rails around the country
I'm still laughing. Per mile? lol Houstons Metro is 7.5 f*cking miles! nice crutch. LA's Blue Line sees 33 Million riders per year, that's just ONE line. These rails aren't empty
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Houston's ridership is very impressive! I can't figure out how they do it while running mostly 1 car and with only 18 cars total. Is that number somehow over-inflated or is it just really packed?
Not over-inflated at all. in Job centers such as the Texas Medical center even getting standing room is a pain. Sometime I have to wait for the next car.

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I'm still laughing. Per mile? lol Houstons Metro is 7.5 f*cking miles! nice crutch. LA's Blue Line sees 33 Million riders per year, that's just ONE line. These rails aren't empty

a 33M ridership is expected for LA, it three times as large as Houston. Houston's Rail carries8M riders per year. What is laughable about that?

You can laugh all you want, you will just look sill and ignorant. Houston has the Red line in, the North Line being built, the East line tracks in, the South East line tracks in, The 14 mile University line in, The Uptown line in, Over 100 miles of Commuter rail in the works, an extremely successful park and ride system in, A successful rapid route system in, I don't see anything funny about that.

Maybe you should grow up a bit?
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I'm still laughing. Per mile? lol Houstons Metro is 7.5 f*cking miles! nice crutch. LA's Blue Line sees 33 Million riders per year, that's just ONE line. These rails aren't empty
I'm pretty impressed by the ridership per mile of Houston, even if it is a very short line.

If Houston ever had the mileage of LA or Boston's light rail I really don't think that ridership per mile would keep up (LA can't even keep up with Boston, though does well compared to most cities).

For reference, the Houston METRORail has a daily ridership of 37,000. The Green Line (the LRT that straddles the middle of the 105 freeway and has no direct connection to DTLA) has a daily ridership of 45,000.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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I'm pretty impressed by the ridership per mile of Houston, even if it is a very short line.

If Houston ever had the mileage of LA or Boston's light rail I really don't think that ridership per mile would keep up (LA can't even keep up with Boston, though does well compared to most cities).

For reference, the Houston METRORail has a daily ridership of 37,000. The Green Line (the LRT that straddles the middle of the 105 freeway and has no direct connection to DTLA) has a daily ridership of 45,000.
The Ridership will most certainly go down with the North line because it doesn't really go anywhere. The East and the SE lines go a lot of place so they most probably will keep up with the Main lines. They both go to Minuit Made Park, Dynamo Stadium and the Toyota center, while the SE line goes to UH and Texas Southern University. Where Ridership will increase is with the University line which goes from UH, TSU, Rice University, Texas Medical Center, St Thomas University, Greenway Business District, Montrose, Uptown, and through Gulfton (which is the densest area of Houston, and where there is a huge poorer population who make good use of public transit)

Metrorail has 37,000 daily Riders as a result of a few North Lines being shifted to the Rail. With The University line the same is going to be done. the streets going East West are heavily traveled. I don't have recent stats for Westheimer but a couple years ago that line carried 15,000 boardings per day.

So Houston's rail system may go down a bit in Ridership per mile until the University Line is opened when it will go up again. But with about 30 miles of Track it is going to have over 100K daily riders. Compare that to a system like DART which already has over 70 miles of track and only 75K daily riders. Can you believe that? Dallas has ten times the miles of track and less than twice the number of daily riders.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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The Ridership will most certainly go down with the North line because it doesn't really go anywhere. The East and the SE lines go a lot of place so they most probably will keep up with the Main lines. They both go to Minuit Made Park, Dynamo Stadium and the Toyota center, while the SE line goes to UH and Texas Southern University. Where Ridership will increase is with the University line which goes from UH, TSU, Rice University, Texas Medical Center, St Thomas University, Greenway Business District, Montrose, Uptown, and through Gulfton (which is the densest area of Houston, and where there is a huge poorer population who make good use of public transit)

Metrorail has 37,000 daily Riders as a result of a few North Lines being shifted to the Rail. With The University line the same is going to be done. the streets going East West are heavily traveled. I don't have recent stats for Westheimer but a couple years ago that line carried 15,000 boardings per day.

So Houston's rail system may go down a bit in Ridership per mile until the University Line is opened when it will go up again. But with about 30 miles of Track it is going to have over 100K daily riders. Compare that to a system like DART which already has over 70 miles of track and only 75K daily riders. Can you believe that? Dallas has ten times the miles of track and less than twice the number of daily riders.
Out of curiosity, are all of the lines in this list actually opening this year or in the next few years?

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/under-construction/
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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Out of curiosity, are all of the lines in this list actually opening this year or in the next few years?

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/under-construction/
I don't know about any of those in that list. I just know about the ones for Houston.

Currently in Houston the North Line, East line and SouthEast line is under Construction. Houston was using its own funds for these but they got federally funding for the rails under construction already so now Metro is juggling funds for the University line. That Line was supposed to be built years ago but it got fierce opposition from residents on Westheimer and Richmond where the rail was originally supposed to run threw.

A 6th line running threw Uptown is not funded at all yet.

Here is the system planned:
http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploa...12-revised.jpg

There are also over 300 miles of commuter rail in the works but so many disagreements.

These are the proposed Commuter lines: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cZfrSjHOci...muter+Rail.jpg

These are the tracks going in earlier this year:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...07729final.JPG

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/9863e075.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/838640f3.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/ef74f767.jpg
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I don't know about any of those in that list. I just know about the ones for Houston.

Currently in Houston the North Line, East line and SouthEast line is under Construction. Houston was using its own funds for these but they got federally funding for the rails under construction already so now Metro is juggling funds for the University line. That Line was supposed to be built years ago but it got fierce opposition from residents on Westheimer and Richmond where the rail was originally supposed to run threw.

A 6th line running threw Uptown is not funded at all yet.

Here is the system planned:
http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploa...12-revised.jpg

There are also over 300 miles of commuter rail in the works but so many disagreements.

These are the proposed Commuter lines: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cZfrSjHOci...muter+Rail.jpg

These are the tracks going in earlier this year:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...07729final.JPG

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/9863e075.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/838640f3.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/ef74f767.jpg
Nice, I just meant the Houston ones haha...
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Avondale and Tempe, Arizona
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I think a new thread with a refreshed poll should be started on this subject.

Phoenix's light rail started operation just after this poll was started four years ago, and it's the most extensive starter line of any other in the country.

Somehow San Jose wasn't included in the poll either, that city has operated light rail for many years now.
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Denver or Portland. I'm thinking modern light rail, so Boston is sort of a different animal.

It's amazing how Denver has built such a comprehensive, well used and user friendly system in such a short time (and it's still growing).
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