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View Poll Results: Which city is better?
St. Louis, MO 79 67.52%
Indianapolis, IN 38 32.48%
Voters: 117. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-14-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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did i miss something? did anyone say st. louis is problem-free? these two cities are apples and oranges. yes, indianapolis was bold to annex all of its suburbs to make one big "city." conversely, st. louis is an independent city with severe governmental fragmentation. even still, st. louis is much more of a real city than indianapolis could ever hope to be. i do not mean to sound mean or arrogant, but the thread is indianapolis vs. st. louis and the truth must be told.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:17 PM
 
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did i miss something? did anyone say st. louis is problem-free? these two cities are apples and oranges. yes, indianapolis was bold to annex all of its suburbs to make one big "city." conversely, st. louis is an independent city with severe governmental fragmentation. even still, st. louis is much more of a real city than indianapolis could ever hope to be. i do not mean to sound mean or arrogant, but the thread is indianapolis vs. st. louis and the truth must be told.
OK, what makes St. Louis a "real" city and cities like Indianapolis not "real?" Is it blight, crime, decades of democratic blunder? What, inquiring minds want to know. I swear CD people tend to think they know everything about what a "real" city should be. At the end of the day, one is still growing in population and the other is still shrinking and every one overwhelmingly still moves to suburbs rather than central cities. Do not confuse opinion with fact. The only thing anyone here has is their personal opinion. Doesn't make either right or wrong, just different. Some people like being bunched up to create a "true" urban feel which usually equates to paying more for less in terms of space and land and there are others that prefer more space, more sq footage, larger yards and more privacy. Neither is wrong, just preference.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:56 PM
 
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Indianapolis is really getting shanghai'd in this poll, lol
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Numbers don't reflect the last 30 years sorry of retooling. Does STL have a brighter future, it's up to the leaders and its citizens but in all honesty it went 30 years of doing nothing and expecting some miraculous outcome.

Every city has its problems and Indianapolis is no different, it's what you do about those problems and how early you do them. Let's be blunt a greater than 50% drop in population from 1960-2010 census points to extreme problems that are just now starting to be addressed if that. Saying you have great neighborhoods left (which you do) doesn't negate the problems that are current and have been ongoing for the past 40 years or so. Constantly living in the past gets old, that's kind of how STL got to where it is now and it doesn't really appear as though STL is being uber aggressive in addressing that.
Hence the Urban Transformation of Indianapolis.
Instead of sitting in our chair whining. Why can't Indianapolis be as great as NYC. Why can't we bring more jobs downtown. Why is there only 3 shops open after dark? why is there not alot of people downtown. We actually got up off our rear and took ACTION in the 1970s and 1980s and none of those problems i made in a whining sense are an issue in Indianapolis. Were the fastest growing city/metro in the midwest due to us taking ACTION. As the old saying goes actions speak louder than words
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I never said anything about the metro area. I am strictly talking city of St. Louis and city of Indianapolis.
Yea, okay.

You can't do that and you know it. When you compare St Louis City to the City of Indianapolis, you are basically comparing metro Indy to most, but not even all, of urban St Louis.

The comparison make zero sense.

indianapolis, in - Google Maps

st louis, mo - Google Maps

All this talk about Indy growing so much faster than StL is silly too. While I understand Indy is growing faster, isn't most growth in Indy suburban just like StL? The city of Indy may be growing, but it's growing in a suburban way out in the outskirts of the city limits. Last time I checked, I didn't see a lot of new urban construction in Indy. Does Indy have anything at all like Clayton, Central West End etc where there are dozens of residential highrises?

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Old 02-14-2012, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Wow, because a poster that doesnt even live in STL calls you out on something, you automatically say all people in STL are rude.
Thats just ignorant.
So are the blunt comments against Indianapolis by Missourians.
So it works both ways.
Kcmo your giving me plenty of good reasons to NEVER visit Kansas City FYI being crude to others just tells me a good chunk of the population is crude and i won't have a good time spending my tourism dollars there.
Same goes for St Louis but i have family that lives there so unless there was this massive crime wave i could still maybe visit.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:02 PM
 
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So are the blunt comments against Indianapolis by Missourians.
So it works both ways.
Kcmo your giving me plenty of good reasons to NEVER visit Kansas City FYI being crude to others just tells me a good chunk of the population is crude and i won't have a good time spending my tourism dollars there.
Same goes for St Louis but i have family that lives there so unless there was this massive crime wave i could still maybe visit.
Don't take it so personal. I just think Indy is not really in the same league as St Louis and you are trying to say it is. That's your opinion. I don't agree with you. Not really a big deal. Trying to compare a huge city like Indy (which has many suburbs inside the city limits) to St Louis city only is only proving you are doing everything you can to make Indy compare to StLouis.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Well, now you did it. You made me get the photos out again .

Do you really think Indy compares to these pics? Actually Indy has an impressive central city. I just think StL is quite a bit more impressive.

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This is Clayton, which is not even in the city of St Louis, even though many consider this area to be in the urban core of metro St Louis. When you compare Indy to StL City , you are comparing Indy as well as many suburban areas of Indy while omitting much of urban StL and all of the suburbs of StL. Clayton alone could rival the skyline of downtown Indy.

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Old 02-14-2012, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Don't take it so personal. I just think Indy is not really in the same league as St Louis and you are trying to say it is. That's your opinion. I don't agree with you. Not really a big deal. Trying to compare a huge city like Indy (which has many suburbs inside the city limits) to St Louis city only is only proving you are doing everything you can to make Indy compare to StLouis.
I am not trying to compare i am just sick of the insults.
If you want to joke around thats fine but you can joke around without being crude and throwing insults around.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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I am not trying to compare i am just sick of the insults.
If you want to joke around thats fine but you can joke around without being crude and throwing insults around.
Where did I insult Indy? The only crude insults I see here are the typical crime and blight jabs at St Louis.

I like Indianapolis. I just think people think it's more than it is at this time. It's not quite on the level of StL or even Kansas City yet IMO. It's quickly getting there, but it takes time. Indy is a fine city.
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