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View Poll Results: which city is the capital of the south?
Atlanta 555 53.42%
New Orleans 28 2.69%
Houston 113 10.88%
Dallas 41 3.95%
Miami 39 3.75%
Austin 8 0.77%
San Antonio 12 1.15%
Charlotte 34 3.27%
other 48 4.62%
there is no capital 161 15.50%
Voters: 1039. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-28-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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I hear this argument all to often, I have visited Austin more times than I can care to count and have also seen San Antonio a few times also. With San Antonio I agree with Nairobi and also agree with you to an extent that it looks like a hybrid of Houston crossed with El Paso. With the shrubby short cactuses and the generally browner terrain but still maintaining plenty of trees on hills. The grass in San Antonio is no where close to as green as Houston or even Austin for that matter but its not yellow/brown/dead the way one would find in El Paso, its a lime green type of color in the summer. As for the personality/character of the city, San Antonio is southern the same way Miami is. Immigrants and the overwhelming minority presence doesn't detract from the southern drawl, culture, and history both San Antonio and Miami share. They are quintessentially southern, just southern in a different way than Atlanta.

Now Austin is more in the line with DC, except its much smaller. In Austin the southern culture is more prevalent than it is in DC simply because DC is triple the size of Austin. Austin in say 40 years when it reaches the size DC is today will be similar in its transient culture. Austin will feel just as void of 'culture' as DC does, because no one group will have the prevalent culture to set the metro apart. In Austin you have the transplants, natives, immigrants, and tourists and as of now the natives are a balance with non natives but as Austin continuous to grow it will begin losing its native roots and culture along with it. It will always remain a southern city however due to its history, native drawl, and location just as DC has.

Dallas is the quintessential city of Texas. As someone prior to has already mentioned Dallas and Texas ring together in many ways. Much of what people outside of Texas think of the state, they also think of those things for Dallas. Here in my office when you ask anyone what they think of Texas you hear 'cowboys', 'prison', 'football', 'oil', pick up trucks, hot and dry, dry looking terrain, nothing but empty prairie for hundreds of miles in each direction, big hair, and Rick Perry type of politics. Now not to say all these things are synonymous with Dallas but that is how people outside of Texas view both Texas and Dallas as and while Dallas is a modern/progressive city you have to realize that Texas holds a very negative position in the eyes of most Americans and the state outside of Austin does nothing to throw out public perception. Places like Fort Worth in the Dallas area embody and embrace that sort of culture. So while Dallas is the first city most people think of when thinking of Texas, its also the first place in Texas that people associate those characteristics of Texas with. I truly love Dallas and do believe its a modern, progressive, international place much beyond stereotypes but also do believe that Dallas embraces that perception of Texas when it shouldn't because it sets the perception of Dallas back IMO.

IMO the south overall has a more favorable reputation than Texas does based on my travels, Houston for example when I am there I feel like I am in Louisiana's largest city not Texas's. The terrain, lush greenery, the gulf coast, and the weather with the culture and mindset of the people there is more akin to the south than to Texas IMO.
Yep, SA/Austin has the dryish element, but not as dry as El Paso. Austin/SA and their surrounding areas also have the shorter native cacti. Just different cities than their Southern counterparts. No one can tell me these areas of Austin and San Antonio don't look "Western". Not saying they ARE Western, they're certainly Southern, but they have characteristics of "The West":

austin - Google Maps

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san antonio - Google Maps

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austin - Google Maps

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The music in this Big12 commercial says it all(I'm currently watching Texas Mens basketball as they play Baylor): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nXLG1ej-OM

 
Old 01-28-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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MA3POLO? I think yore putting too much emphasis on what Western really means.
 
Old 01-28-2012, 01:28 PM
 
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MA3POLO? I think yore putting too much emphasis on what Western really means.
What does it mean? And who's MA3POLO?
 
Old 01-28-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I take it you haven't spent much time in Louisiana.
I know you may hate to agree with it. But he's right.
 
Old 01-28-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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What does it mean? And who's MA3POLO?
You.
 
Old 01-28-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Austin and San Antonio topographically looks neither Southern or Western honestly. It's a transition point and I'm not talking about only South and Southwest. I'm also including the High Plains of the Great Plains. Because just to the NW of Austin, it becomes flatter, grassy, and trees begin to become less visual. Heck, just head to Brady, TX and you'll see that it doesn't look that much different than parts of Western KS.

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Old 01-28-2012, 02:02 PM
 
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You.
Where in my username does it say MA3POLO? Is there something you're trying to say?
 
Old 01-28-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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I know you may hate to agree with it. But he's right.
Even I agree with Slyman. Houston seems more like a big city in LA than in TX. Although DFW may be as close to a big city in Arkansas or OK, as it is to parts west of Austin.
 
Old 01-28-2012, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Even I agree with Slyman. Houston seems more like a big city in LA than in TX. Although DFW may be as close to a big city in Arkansas or OK, as it is to parts west of Austin.
Some parts of DFW look like Oklahoma. No parts look like Arkansas IMO.But some parts look like it really should remain in Texas. That I-35 area is really the crossroads topographically.
 
Old 01-28-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Some parts of DFW look like Oklahoma. Some parts look like Arkansas. Some parts look like it really should remain in Texas. That I-35 area is really the crossroads topographically.
I see your point on that, Spade...and mostly agree on a generalized level. But keep in mind (which I know you are aware of as you have spoken of it many times before), the broad "Eastern and Western Cross Timbers" area...which extends quite a bit further west than the "grand prarie" that sorta marks the proverbial I-35 division!
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