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View Poll Results: which city is the capital of the south?
Atlanta 555 53.42%
New Orleans 28 2.69%
Houston 113 10.88%
Dallas 41 3.95%
Miami 39 3.75%
Austin 8 0.77%
San Antonio 12 1.15%
Charlotte 34 3.27%
other 48 4.62%
there is no capital 161 15.50%
Voters: 1039. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 02-01-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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Miami is pretty far from Lexington. Beaumont is a mere 3hrs from Austin(correction 4 or 5hrs). Texas being in a transition zone between the South and the Southwest the change in scenery is going to be more dramatic in in a shorter distance in Texas than it would in states in the Southeast.
What about going from Wilmington, NC to Asheville, NC? The change in scenery is very different, there.

The point I'm making is that just because the central parts of Texas don't look like other parts of the south, that doesn't give you an argument for it being less southern. Going east to west, the southernness gradually fades, just like it does going south to north. Austin is to Houston as Lexington is to Atlanta or Birmingham, in my opinion.

 
Old 02-01-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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Anything I've said that is unique about Texas's positioning and climates is always being refuted or passed off as something that happens anywhere else in the South. And while that may be true, it's not as dramatic as it is in Texas because you're passing into a whole different region when you're passing from East to Central/South/West Texas. It's not the same as driving from GA to Florida, or SC to VA. All those states are in the same region. Texas is the only state in the South in which the whole state is not in one region, therefore the change in scenary is gonna happen do to passing to another region, not just passing into another state.
For one, Texas is officially considered COMPLETELY part of the south. Says who? The Census Bureau; that's who.

Driving north in Virginia, Kentucky, or West Virginia, you most definitely get the transition feeling of driving into another region. Have you ever been to these places?
 
Old 02-01-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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Anything I've said that is unique about Texas's positioning and climates is always being refuted or passed off as something that happens anywhere else in the South. And while that may be true, it's not as dramatic as it is in Texas because you're passing into a whole different region when you're passing from East to Central/South/West Texas. It's not the same as driving from GA to Florida, or SC to VA. All those states are in the same region. Texas is the only state in the South in which the whole state is not in one region, therefore the change in scenary is gonna do to passing to another region.
take a chunk of the south that is 800 miles by 800 miles and tell me if it is uniform. Driving across Texas is not the same as going from GA to FL and you know it. It is 850 miles from the LA border to El Paso. It is 850 miles from Matamoros to Dalhart.

stop downplaying the distances. Texas is huge, of course it is not going to be in one region. But what does that have to do with the fact that you are making something out of nothing at all.

What does that have to do with the fact that the south is not uniform???

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Old 02-01-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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But those states(with the exception of OK) doesn't have the HUGE disparity in climate and culture that is West Texas. West Texas(Trans-Pecos) will forever be the elephant in the room when discussing Texas's rightful geographic and cultural positioning. It's always gonna be there.
Other than the fact that the trans-pecos region of Texas went overwhelmingly for secession and there are even Confederate monuments in El Paso? There really isn't much to argue with on that one. I fully agree that there is extremely little about the trans-pecos "horn" that could be considered even remotely part of anything but the desert Southwest of New Mexico and Arizona.

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Let's not forget South Texas. That's another region everyone seems to forget. Drastically different from the rest of the South also.
Now THIS one, is a little different, Polo, and you are right in many ways. That is, demographics as in terms of population (ala' hispanic majority vs. the anglo/black duality typical of most of the rest of the South) for sure offsets it.

Still? It IS relevant to keep in mind that the major cities of South Texas such as San Antonio, Corpus Christi, (definitely Austin if counted as south rather than central Texas) are VERY Southern in their early formation and settlement...and all things connected with the same.

There is just not a heck of a lot of comparrison at all with cities like Denver, Sante Fe, and Phoenix in terms of how to qualify "Southern" and "Western" traits and history and culture with, say, Austin's, San Antone, or Corpus Christi... using the same historical/cultural criteria.

The latter can be considered "Western" (in the frontier sense).... but nil to nothing about the former can be considered "Southern"....

It just makes for a whole different breed/critter!
 
Old 02-01-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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What about going from Wilmington, NC to Asheville, NC? The change in scenery is very different, there.

The point I'm making is that just because the central parts of Texas don't look like other parts of the south, that doesn't give you an argument for it being less southern. Going east to west, the southernness gradually fades, just like it does going south to north. Austin is to Houston as Lexington is to Atlanta or Birmingham, in my opinion.
That's the thing with the South, Wilmington to Asheville have a dramatic change in elevation(Way dramatic), but for the most part the climate, and vegetation reflects that of the rest of the South. As different as they may be, they both reflect aspects that can be found in other Southern states. Austin on West? Not so much.
 
Old 02-01-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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For one, Texas is officially considered COMPLETELY part of the south. Says who? The Census Bureau; that's who.

Driving north in Virginia, Kentucky, or West Virginia, you most definitely get the transition feeling of driving into another region. Have you ever been to these places?
The Census Bureau just needed to put Texas in one region, so logically, Texas being a Confederate State is going to automatically be put in the South as a whole. You and I and everyone else in City-Data knows that. But anyone who thinks the Trans-Pecos region is part of the South(or even some of the areas immediately East of it), is a damn fool. Imagine if they put a sign at the Texas boarder in El Paso that said "Welcome to Dixieland", that would look so out of place.lol
 
Old 02-01-2012, 05:04 PM
 
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The problem is, some people are so eager to do away with West Texas as if it's not part of the state. Call Rick Perry and ask about state division. It's always gonna be there.
 
Old 02-01-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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Anyone who thinks the south is all dixieland is a damn fool
 
Old 02-01-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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That's the thing with the South, Wilmington to Asheville have a dramatic change in elevation(Way dramatic), but for the most part the climate, and vegetation reflects that of the rest of the South. As different as they may be, they both reflect aspects that can be found in other Southern states. Austin on West? Not so much.
Asheville is a mountain town. It's climate and vegetation is not like the rest of south, but rather, only Appalachia, which includes many northern towns. So with your logic, I could make the argument that Asheville has more in common with Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (a northern city) than Jackson, Mississippi (the south).

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The Census Bureau just needed to put Texas in one region, so logically, Texas being a Confederate State is going to automatically be put in the South as a whole. You and I and everyone else in City-Data knows that. But anyone who thinks the Trans-Pecos region is part of the South(or even some of the areas immediately East of it), is a damn fool. Imagine if they put a sign at the Texas boarder in El Paso that said "Welcome to Dixieland", that would look so out of place.lol
And people make the same argument about Northern Virginia. Texas goes south to southwest, and Virginia goes south to north.

...So, now what were saying about Texas being the only state in different regions?
 
Old 02-01-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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Anyone who thinks the south is all dixieland is a damn fool
Would you call El Paso Southern? Be honest...
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