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My dad is a huge blues buff, so we all went down to see the famous Beale Street. It was awful. Scope-swilling vagrants everywhere, very dirty and dangerous seeming for a touristy area. Then we happened to get lost looking for the interstate, and whew...there are some bad neighborhoods around there.
That's just an opinion, based on the cities I've visited thus far. I've never been to Detroit or Camden yet, though. Didn't think Cincinnati was so bad, and loved Washington D.C.
I've lived here my whole life, and *I've* never been to Camden. My husband who grew up probably 10 miles away from it has never been. Please, don't make a special trip to crown as it worst.
St. Louis actually isn't my hometown. The STL part is more for the sports teams, though I do love the city.
There are parts of St. Louis that look like that, but it's not the norm. Most of the city is good, I think. East St. Louis is a slightly different story.
First time I was in St. Louis was to visit Laclede's Landing. I parked in a pay lot a block away and this guy came up and said it was 5 dollars to park in the lot. My friend was about to give him five bucks when this big guy came running up and hit him. "I told you never to f---ing come over here." As it turns out, the first guy was a hobo trying to scam obvious out-of-towners. The second guy, the guy who owned the lot, proceeded to offer us narcotics. Not exactly a great first impression.
Second time I was in St. Louis was for a Nashville Preds at STL Blues hockey game. I parked a block north of Savvis Center (I know it is called something else now, and no, I don't care what) and walked to the arena. After the game, a panhandler followed me from the arena to the garage, even after I told him to go away. Once the person watching the garage starred the panhandler down, he backed away. Not a great second impression.
Now, I don't HATE St. Louis, in fact, there is a lot to like about the town. But my subsequent visits have not done much to convince St. Louis is a safe place or a place of value. In fact, I don't get why so many people on this forum go all crazy over St. Louis. It is ok for its size I guess; but Chicago, Cleveland, NYC, etc. all blow STL away. I guess I don't get this forum's affection for the place. The only people in real life I know who love St. Louis live in Evansville and have never been to other big cities. My buddies in Chicago HATE St. Louis.
Now, I don't HATE St. Louis, in fact, there is a lot to like about the town. But my subsequent visits have not done much to convince St. Louis is a safe place or a place of value. In fact, I don't get why so many people on this forum go all crazy over St. Louis. It is ok for its size I guess; but Chicago, Cleveland, NYC, etc. all blow STL away. I guess I don't get this forum's affection for the place. The only people in real life I know who love St. Louis live in Evansville and have never been to other big cities. My buddies in Chicago HATE St. Louis.
Oh, I see, Indianapolis is the **** nit! NOT! Snoozerville!
Chicago hates every city in the USA, so that is not relavant. Cards Cubs, Cubs Cards. Blackhawks Blues, Blues Blackhawks.
Cleveland, good lord! That one speaks for itself.
NYC, try bashing that one out with London or something.
St. Louis is about 3 times the size of Indy, so when you are down in city center, as you were, there are going to be bums. This ain't no Indy.
Every city that size has bums and panhandlers. Sorry to burst your bubble.
St. Louis has issues, but it has a lot of redeeming qualities as well.
I do think that people who have never been to St. Louis kind of have a preconceived notion about it, wrong or not. That said, I think most of us have ideas about what a city will be like before we get there.
I've never had an issue in St. Louis, but I don't live there. We do go a few times a year for Cardinals and Blues games. There are scalpers, but we've never been bothered by a bum. We usually park at Union Station and take the MetroLink at Busch or walk to Scottrade (Savvis).
Good to hear things have changed!
I'll have to visit again.
don't get to excited, but yes San Diego has changed alot over the years and downtown has became much bigger and more and more events are happening like everyday. San Diego use to be boring but now theres plenty to do.
First time I was in St. Louis was to visit Laclede's Landing. I parked in a pay lot a block away and this guy came up and said it was 5 dollars to park in the lot. My friend was about to give him five bucks when this big guy came running up and hit him. "I told you never to f---ing come over here." As it turns out, the first guy was a hobo trying to scam obvious out-of-towners. The second guy, the guy who owned the lot, proceeded to offer us narcotics. Not exactly a great first impression.
Second time I was in St. Louis was for a Nashville Preds at STL Blues hockey game. I parked a block north of Savvis Center (I know it is called something else now, and no, I don't care what) and walked to the arena. After the game, a panhandler followed me from the arena to the garage, even after I told him to go away. Once the person watching the garage starred the panhandler down, he backed away. Not a great second impression.
Now, I don't HATE St. Louis, in fact, there is a lot to like about the town. But my subsequent visits have not done much to convince St. Louis is a safe place or a place of value. In fact, I don't get why so many people on this forum go all crazy over St. Louis. It is ok for its size I guess; but Chicago, Cleveland, NYC, etc. all blow STL away. I guess I don't get this forum's affection for the place. The only people in real life I know who love St. Louis live in Evansville and have never been to other big cities. My buddies in Chicago HATE St. Louis.
it's interesting you say that, because all i hear is how bad st. louis is, but i've yet to be asked for change or bothered by anyone in st. louis. obviously your experience could easily have been mine, but for a city that has such a bad reputation, i thought other cities with lesser reps hassled me more and dazzled me with their crime.
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My dad is a huge blues buff, so we all went down to see the famous Beale Street. It was awful. Scope-swilling vagrants everywhere, very dirty and dangerous seeming for a touristy area. Then we happened to get lost looking for the interstate, and whew...there are some bad neighborhoods around there.
That's just an opinion, based on the cities I've visited thus far. I've never been to Detroit or Camden yet, though. Didn't think Cincinnati was so bad, and loved Washington D.C.
Next time, be sure to make your way down to Anacostia.
Every city that size has bums and panhandlers. Sorry to burst your bubble.
St. Louis has issues, but it has a lot of redeeming qualities as well.
I do think that people who have never been to St. Louis kind of have a preconceived notion about it, wrong or not. That said, I think most of us have ideas about what a city will be like before we get there.
I've never had an issue in St. Louis, but I don't live there. We do go a few times a year for Cardinals and Blues games. There are scalpers, but we've never been bothered by a bum. We usually park at Union Station and take the MetroLink at Busch or walk to Scottrade (Savvis).
You seem to be confused. I have encountered bums in every big city I have visited. I have never been agressivly followed to my parking garage or offered drugs in any other city. I have felt safer in downtown Detroit than St. Louis. The only big city where anyone I know was a violent crime victim was St. Louis.
Like I have said, the town has redeeming qualities and I do not hate the town at all. That said, it is easily my least favorite big city that I have visited.
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