What states allow for the most personal freedom, what states have the the least? (map, districts)

[advocatusdiavoli]

Originally Posted by TANaples

There was a joke going around in NY that if the Adultery Laws hadn't been repealed years ago, there would be no America's Mayor. He would have been serving time LONG before 9/11.

That's true but also adultery, understood as sexual intercourse with someone other than your lawfull husband or wife, is simply interferes with one's personal freedoms. For instance some couples may allow such a behavior (swingers) so why would the state tell them what to do and what not to do in the confines of their bedrooms?
Clearly, any laws restricting sexual behavior of consenting adults is simply an interference with personal freedoms.

I am a libertarian, I would decriminalize both prostitution and polygamy. If someone wants to have five wifes and women agree wiht that? Why not?
I would only raise the age limit for polygamous marriage to 21 for both men and women.

PS. Not that I would like to have more than one wife, honey.

[mas23]

Originally Posted by advocatusdiavoli

And I would never argue that Chicago is not segregated. It is. But I would not agree that Chicago is a best example of Northern city.
It's pretty much about semantics and geographical definitions as if you would say that the south is not segragated at all using as an example LA, which is south of Chicago.
Anyways, the list placing Chicago below New York seems bogus in the first place...

TRUST ME I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THAT. I still have a hard time believing that

America's Ten Most Segregated Cities - Democratic Underground

there was a link to bet.com but there was an error

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by TANaples

Maybe Texas gay couples could hold hands in public, but they couldn't "love" each other in PRIVATE without breaking the law.

Police Officers, with their own prejudices, finding laws on the books to further their own agendas. Yes, that is what happened with Stonewall too, BUT Stonewall was over 40 years ago. Lawrence was only a few years ago.

It is up to individual state legislatures to repeal archaic discriminatory laws on the books. Some states choose to leave the status quo because it suits their agenda.

The argument your daughter and others were involved in was about homosexual couples being comfortable holding hands in Texas. You know just as well that she made a really silly statement--it's almost certainly true you've had your own arguments with her where you know she's overreaching.

Now if you want to make the separate argument, about Texas having more social constraints (which is a separate argument and one that many who argued with Rachel's ill-conceived point side with you), then great. Have at it. I'm happy that the Court ruled on Lawrence vs Texas the way it did--though it's the recent past, I'm glad it's in the past. Of course, it doesn't mean that Texas was doing much to enforce those laws in recent years, but it's great that it's officially off the books.

There really needs to be a court of editors going through the books to trim out old laws.

As a tangent: does New York really need to fine, and perhaps give horse-blinders to, men for flirting with women in the streets? Shouldn't it be legal for a group of women to live together--or maybe instead of it being illegal because that would constitute a brothel, the courts should find brothels legal? There are a lot of archaic laws throughout the US on all levels that need to be struck or amended.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

I see polls taken in NY state on the issue of gay marriage and they are mirror images of polls taken in CA and elsewhere.

It seems though that on the issue of gay marriage being put to a vote, many people say one thing and then vote another.

The very last polls for Prop 8 showed that it was going down to defeat by about the same margin it won by. And that is incredibly fascinating.

Fascinating is one word for it. I've read that it's likely due to the demographics that would vote against Prop 8 are generally incredibly bad at showing up at the polls. Have you come across the same info?

[TANaples]

All these laws put up for a vote have been VERY close; California and Florida. Maybe this is why the state legislatures should act instead.

At any rate, times change. The young will probably pave the way for these changes.

[blkgiraffe]

Originally Posted by Rachael84

Yeah but YOU don't represent how Texas thinks. That's the difference. I wasn't attacking how you feel, just the state.

No she dosen't, no one represents how TX think.

So if she was against homosexuality and voted for Bush, she'd represent the way that TX thinks???

[blkgiraffe]

Originally Posted by TANaples

Maybe Texas gay couples could hold hands in public, but they couldn't "love" each other in PRIVATE without breaking the law.

Police Officers, with their own prejudices, finding laws on the books to further their own agendas. Yes, that is what happened with Stonewall too, BUT Stonewall was over 40 years ago. Lawrence was only a few years ago.

It is up to individual state legislatures to repeal archaic discriminatory laws on the books. Some states choose to leave the status quo because it suits their agenda.

WTF are you talking about?? You make no sense with that sentence. How about thinking about the present and quit bringing up the past.

Your logic is so....backwards.

[Rachael84]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

WTF are you talking about?? You make no sense with that sentence. How about thinking about the present and quit bringing up the past.

Your logic is so....backwards.

Parts of the south are backwards.

[mas23]

this thread is backwards. maybe we all need a drink.

pop *er* soda or beer. Drinks on ME!!!

[TANaples]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

WTF are you talking about?? You make no sense with that sentence. How about thinking about the present and quit bringing up the past.

Your logic is so....backwards.

I didn't bring up Stonewall and also said Stonewall was ancient history, but LAWRENCE was only a few years ago.