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View Poll Results: 2nd best
Detroit 78 15.69%
Indianapolis 22 4.43%
Cleveland 39 7.85%
Twin Cities 211 42.45%
Columbus 9 1.81%
Cincinnati 49 9.86%
St. Louis 50 10.06%
Kansas City 39 7.85%
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Cleverfield View Post
I don't know, I think our skyline is more impressive simply for the fact that our buildings and bridges are more interesting, and the setting on a great lake AND a river make it a beautiful blend of natural and man made beauty. Plus we have the tallest building in the midwest outside of Chicago. To me there is nothing that really stands out in the Minneapolis skyline. It's pretty generic.

Anyway, here's the newest addition to our skyline.

This is the newest building, but several buildings in our skyline that have been vacant are also being converted into apartments, and hotels. We also have a 30+ story convention center hotel in the works.

Project Management Consultants : Cleveland Convention Center Hotel
How, may I ask, do bridges have anything to do with the skyline? Even so, Cleveland has a few interesting bridges, yes, mainly the Main Ave. Bridge (which is structurally deficient, sadly) and the Detroit/Superior Bridge (which is one of the coolest bridges in the Midwest). You have a few unused lift bridges, which are decent, and some other generic but decent looking truss bridges, but the remainder of the bridges in the Cleveland area are simple, fairly ugly decks held up by cylindrical cement piers. The bridges in Cleveland are larger than the bridges in Minneapolis-St. Paul, but the main reason for that, especially in Downtown, is that they have to be large because they have to span over the massive industrial wasteland that surrounds the Cuyahoga river. They technically could be just as small, if not smaller, than the bridges here, but the city planners obviously didn't want the major roads cutting through all of that.

Minneapolis and St. Paul have many more smaller bridges that are more unique are aesthetically pleasing across the board. Since our river isn't surrounded by several square miles of sandlots, they are visible and friendly to the pedestrian, also.
http://minneapolisriverfrontpartners...1_BJastram.jpg
Cady Photography/Minneapolis/2012-07-21 Aquatennial3DSC_5793_4_5

Minneapolis and St. Paul have-

Seven cement arch bridges, varying in design and size:

Central/3rd. Ave Bridge: File:Minneapolis from the Central Avenue Bridge.JPG - Wikimedia Commons
10th Ave. Bridge: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2006-10-20.jpg
Franklin Ave. Bridge: File:Franklin Avenue Bridge Minneapolis.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Marshall/Lake Bridge: File:Lake Street Bridge Minneapolis.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ford Bridge: File:Ford Parkway.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mendota Bridge: Mendota Bridge by Austron on deviantART
stock photo - Mendota Bridge over Minnesota River, Minneapolis
http://www.usgwarchives.net/mn/henne...ards/ftsbr.jpg
Robert St. Bridge: Panoramio - Photo of Robert Street Bridge & St. Paul Downtown Skyline

One steel arch bridge (Smith Ave. High Bridge): St. Paul Skyline from Lilydale Park | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

One tied arch bridge (Lowry Bridge): Minneapolis skyline through the Lowry Avenue bridge | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Shakesville: Photo of the Day

One stone arch bridge (Stone Arch Bridge):
Minneapolis Stone Arch Festival of the Arts | Questions and AnswersQuestions and Answers
File:Stone arch bridge pano.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Two box girder bridges:

35W St. Anthony Falls Bridge: The Interstate 35W (St. Anthony Falls) Bridge lit up teal for Ovarian Cancer Awareness month. Minneapolis, MN | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Wabasha St. Bridge: Capture Minnesota Photo Contest - Wabasha St Bridge by Altamish Osman

And finally, one suspension bridge (Father Louis Hennepin Bridge):
The Hennepin Ave Bridge Over the Mississippi River | Greg Benz Photography
Downtown Minneapolis and the Hennepin Bridge | Greg Benz Photography
Hennepin Avenue Bridge | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

I decided not to include the truss railroad bridges, lift bridge, or under construction bridges in order to save space. I also did not include the pictures of the couple of generic ugly bridges though, also, because Minneapolis and St. Paul of course have some of those too.

I don't see how Cleveland's bridges are so much more interesting. You have a few interesting and unique bridges, but primarily generic cement pier bridges. Also, as far as the river adding to a beautiful blend of natural and man made features, I don't think the Cuyahoga can really count as "beautiful" or "natural." That has to be one of the most blatant over-exaggerations I've ever heard. https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...27874&t=h&z=16
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...34.67,,0,-1.28
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...,342.7,,0,-4.3

This I would count as more natural:

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...55747&t=h&z=15
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...95.64,,0,-8.42
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...25.17,,0,-9.56

 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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If your heading Downtown from for instance 35W down in Burnsville, it literally looks like you are heading into Metropolis.
Right, it looks like you're heading into Metropolis, because Metropolis is a generic big city. There is not much that makes Minneapolis look distinct.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Bslete:
you missed the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge, complete with the Guardians of Traffic



 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Cleveland > MPLS

not even particularly close.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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You're welcome, glad I could add a little levity to your day. Perhaps my analogy wasn't totally appropriate, but my point was that Minneapolis has a rather unexciting, generic skyline, that while nice, does not really stand out among the crowd. And the IDS tower is one of the ugliest skyscrapers I've ever seen. Cleveland's historic Terminal Tower is far nicer than any of the buildings in the Minneapolis skyline. Cleveland's Key Tower is far taller than anything in the Twin Cities (947 ft vs 792 ft), and Cleveland's multitude of bridges are on par with anything in the twin cities.
I agree, the terminal tower is probably one of the best skyscrapers in the Midwest. And remember, before you get to cocky over your Key Tower (Which, by the way, one tall building does not equate to a nice skyline) was designed to be built in Minneapolis. We got the Wells Fargo (Norwest) Tower instead, which I am glad for.

Cleveland has two really great buildings, the Key Tower and the Terminal Tower, which almost completely dominate the entire skyline. Beyond those, the remainder of the buldings are almost completely nondescript boxes. I don't see how you can say that Minneapolis has a generic skyline when Cleveland's is almost completely composed of box shaped towers, with your 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th tallest buildings all being boxes. That is 13 out of Cleveland's 20 tallest buildings that are boxes, and 3 near-boxes. The remaining 4 buildings in the skyline consist of 3 unique buildings, and 1 historic building. How is that so much better than Minneapolis?


Minneapolis' list of 35 tallest buildings only contains 6 boxes, and 6 near boxes. That leaves 23 buildings that do not have a simple box design. How is that unexciting and generic?

File:Cleveland Skyline Aug 2006.JPG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e-20070805.jpg



Also, your point about the height of the Key Tower is great, but that is the height of one building. Cleveland has 4 buildings over 500 feet, Minneapolis has 8. Cleveland has 18 buildings over 300 feet, Minneapolis has 36.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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Bslete:
you missed the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge, complete with the Guardians of Traffic
That is very cool, I apologize for missing it.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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1. Minneapolis(Great skyline, very modern, just lots of tall buildings
2. Detroit(The ford towers give the skyline some uniqueness, it could be better
3. Cincinnati(The historic buildings are unique, dense amount of buildings
4. St. Louis(Only reason its even 4th is because of the arch without it would be last place
5. Kansas City(Not very tall but a bit dense, good amount looks modern to me
6. Cleveland(spread out not very dense, not unique
7. Indianapolis(Its okay, not unique
8. Columbus(Again not unique spread out

PS Boosters from Cleveland your skyline is not unique, it looks similar to Indy and Columbus to be quite honest, i find it ridiculous that your trying to even compare Minneapolis to Cleveland.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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hahahaha...It is amazing how humble people from Detroit are. 45 pages and I think there was only 1 person from Detroit who just explained the architecture of Detroit's buildings. While as usual, people from other cities come online screaming and clamoring about how great each of their city's are. So let me be the fist Detroit homer after 447 posts to come to the defense of Motown. I disgree with people who say the Renaissance Center doesn't belong and makes the city skyline look odd. I think that it is actually cool and it shows a continuum from the past to the future.

http://blogs.metrotimes.com/wp-conte...or-skyline.jpg

http://www.processedinusa.com/wp-con...-Skyline-2.jpg

http://blog.thedetroithub.com/wp-con...pun-header.jpg

Panoramio - Photo of Detroit Skyline
Those are beautiful, I don't care what people say about how much crap Detroit is, yeah the city might be having some struggles, but Detroit is a city with so much history, culture and has so much influence into today's world.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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PS Boosters from Cleveland your skyline is not unique, it looks similar to Indy and Columbus to be quite honest, i find it ridiculous that your trying to even compare Minneapolis to Cleveland.
It is their MO. Whatever the question, the answer is Cleveland. It is ridiculous, really.
 
Old 02-23-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Those are beautiful, I don't care what people say about how much crap Detroit is, yeah the city might be having some struggles, but Detroit is a city with so much history, culture and has so much influence into today's world.
How are you going to say that Detroit is so beautiful when Cleveland's architecture is pretty similar? There are many angles at which you can look at a skyline, and depending on the angle it can appear more or less dense. For instance:
Cleveland



Minneapolis
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