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View Poll Results: San Francisco or Seattle?
San Francisco 45 54.88%
Seattle 37 45.12%
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:22 AM
 
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OK - A one hour flight to Vegas, LA or San Diego....none of those options even come close to a trip up to Vancouver. San Diego might be the only of those 3 cities that I would try to compare with SF, Seattle and Vancouver. Certainly not LA or Vegas.
Vancouver is one of my favorite cities without a doubt(I like it much more than Vegas and it's definitely in my top 5 or top 10 favorite in the world) but as far as the "fun factor" (Nightlife and such) I would rather spend the weekend in Vegas or LA but if I feel like a weekend just taking in another city or doing outdoors stuff than Vancouver can't be beat..overall I think California has a lot more to do than Vancouver or Washington that is another major reason SF is more desirable.
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:27 AM
 
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OK - A one hour flight to Vegas, LA or San Diego....none of those options even come close to a trip up to Vancouver. San Diego might be the only of those 3 cities that I would try to compare with SF, Seattle and Vancouver. Certainly not LA or Vegas.
lol LA doesn't come close to effing Vancouver... are you kidding? Vancouver metro is a lil bit over 2 mil. la is bout 18 mil... come on.
There is really not much Vancouver offers that SF can't imo...
If I was making a trip that far for "those kind of things Vancouver *might* offer" I'd much rather keep going to Southern Alaska.

Also isn't there going to be a high speed rail from SF to SD soon?
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Old 05-05-2010, 03:24 AM
 
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Having lived in both Seattle and SF for at least 5 years each (I currently live in Ballard, have also lived in Capitol Hill, U-District, Central-District, Belltown, and Greenlake!)...

I can say that Seattle is WAY behind San Francisco in terms of infrastructure, transit, cosmopolitanism (is this a word?) and density. Not even close.

The new light rail in Seattle (which is a great start, by the way), wont even put a dent against the BART (one of the largest heavy rail subways in the country), the Muni (an SF-only subway/light rail with 5 lines), CalTrain (connecting to Penninsula, etc.). I dont see how Seattle could ever catch up, frankly.

And, yes, while Seattle is having a lot of condos put up recently (particulalry downtown and in Ballard), condos do not a city vibe make. And outside of downtown it doesnt really have much of a city-vibe. Even Capitol Hill (a neighborhood that borders downtown) cant compare to much further out SF neighborhoods like Lower Haight or the Mission. SF has lots of very dense, urban, VIBRANT neighborhoods. Seattle certainly has its share of some funky, unique, and interesting neighborhoods, but they feel more like cool small-town downtowns (e.g. Fremont, Ballard, Ravenna, even Queen Anne). San Francisco has real CITY neighborhoods.

Also, as someone said SF is an international, cosmopolitan city surrounded by an enormous metropolis. Seattle not so much...And while Seattle has some great restaurants, the food is also not up the "world city" standard that SF is.

In general, SF feels way more alive and vibrant with people out all the time, everywhere, while Seattle is more of a sleepy town with a decent downtown and some cool neighborhood centers.

After all this, I will say I prefer Seattle to live in (hence, why Ive stayed) because it is way more convenient. Costs, parking, laid-back vibe, more space, less crack-heads outside your door, etc...

Although I do miss SF's vibrancy and diversity.
You're kind of under-selling Seattle here.

Ive also lived in both and I agree completely with what you say about density, infrastructure, transit, amenities...BUT

Seattle's urban form is taking shape and there certainly are urban sections outside of downtown. It is above average for a U.S. city in those regards.

If a light-rail connection is finally made to Belltown, Queen Anne, West Seattle, Fremont, Ballard, etc. and the Denny Triangle and South Lake Union areas actually develop into vibrant urban neighborhoods (as they are in the process of doing), Seattle will have a much stronger urban fabric than it does now.

No, nowhere near the level of SF, but better than you're making it out...
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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I'd rather live in Oakland, but I guess SF will do. Seattle is great though, and I'd definitely considering living there (actually I said "here" as of this moment"). Seattle has several urbane neighborhoods (though there seems to be a lot of empty storefronts right now), great people, and an expanding mass transit system so it looks like good fun. It also has good proximity to other fun cities whereas the Bay Area is a bit more isolated.
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Old 05-05-2010, 05:59 PM
 
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Its a tie
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Old 05-05-2010, 06:16 PM
 
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I'd rather live in Oakland, but I guess SF will do. Seattle is great though, and I'd definitely considering living there (actually I said "here" as of this moment"). Seattle has several urbane neighborhoods (though there seems to be a lot of empty storefronts right now), great people, and an expanding mass transit system so it looks like good fun. It also has good proximity to other fun cities whereas the Bay Area is a bit more isolated.
The bay area is without a doubt not more isolated than Seattle.

The Bay itself has many fun cities within its Metro and is close to Monterey, Lake Tahoe/Reno, Napa Valley, not to mention LA only 5 hours away (and with the upcoming high speed rail, 2.5 hours away).
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:03 PM
 
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Seattle is much more clean and safe
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:27 PM
 
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Seattle is much more clean and safe
I would agree with that...although the trade-off is less vibrancy and urbanity
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:56 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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I would agree with that...although the trade-off is less vibrancy and urbanity
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I've been living in Seattle for a few years now and though I love living here it just doesn't stack up to San Francisco imo. I love San Francisco and its dense, cosmopolitan feel. Its downtown, nightlife, architecture, culture, transportation, restaurant scene is superb. Seattle is a great city, and its more than I ever expected. I love living here.
























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