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Old 05-15-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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High school graduate or more (bottom 10)
1. Mississippi . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 78.5
2. Texas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 79.1
3. Louisiana . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 79.9
4. Kentucky . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 80.1
5. California . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 80.2
6. Alabama . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 80.4
7. West Virginia . . . . . . . . . . . . 81.2
8. Tennessee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 81.4
9. Arkansas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 81.1
10 New Mexico . . . . . . . . . . . . . 82.3
As Lifeshadower said:

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Then you neglect to look at another telling statistic: Bachelor's Degree and More (Top 15)

(1. Washington DC: 47.5) *Note: NOT A STATE
1. Massachusetts....37.9
2. Maryland.....35.2
3. Colorado.....35.0
4. Connecticut.....34.7
5. New Jersey......33.9
6. Vermont.....33.6
6. Virginia....33.6
8. New Hampshire...32.5
9. New York....31.7
10. Minnesota.....31.0
11. Washington....30.3
12. Rhode Island....29.8
13. California....29.5
13. Illinois...29.5
15. Utah....28.7

 
Old 05-15-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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No more exceptional than UCLA, UVA, UNC, or Michigan.
Well, according to US News and World Report, Berkeley's graduate programs leads all publics in Business, Law, Engineering, Biological Sciences, Chemistry, Computer Science, Earth Science, Mathematics and Physics-ranking higher than any other public university in all those fields of study.

In other words, exceptional.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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It is what it is. However, you could also look at this statistic and say that it requires a lot more education and money to live in the Bay Area than it does for Chicagoland. There isn't as much need to go get a bachelors in Chicago than in the Bay Area. It's not all cut and dry. In other words, there's an actual blue collar middle class in Chicago that simply doesn't exist in the Bay Area anymore (never mind SF). It appeals to two different types of people.
True, and I agree with what you're saying, but I think you guys are placing too much emphasis on % of degree holders. Don't forget that many, if not most, of those degree holders in CA come from out-of-state. I just think since 2/3 of the general public will never possess a bachelors degree from a college or university, a good measure for the quality of life of most families is whether or not their kids graduate from high school.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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True, and I agree with what you're saying, but I think you guys are placing too much emphasis on % of degree holders. Don't forget that many, if not most, of those degree holders in CA come from out-of-state. I just think since 2/3 of the general public will never possess a bachelors degree from a college or university, a good measure for the quality of life of most families is whether or not their kids graduate from high school.
Maybe in Chicagoland, but not in the Bay Area. To be successful out here, a bachelor's degree is absolutely essential. Having your son/daughter graduate from high school does not measure one's quality of life.

Also, what does it matter if many of the degree holders moved to CA from another state? If anything, that just goes to show that the Bay Area is excellent at attracting intelligent and educated people from all over the country and world.

Back to the university question, both cities excel. San Francisco has Stanford and Berkeley in the area, Chicago has Northwestern and U of Chicago. UCSF is an excellent medical school, one of the best in the country. The University of California system is the best in the country by a long shot.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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percentage of degree holders in a metro area is much different than quality of a states education system...heck a lot of the degree holders in the bay especially are not from there, and especially engineers in south bay not even from the u.s.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Maybe in Chicagoland, but not in the Bay Area. To be successful out here, a bachelor's degree is absolutely essential. Having your son/daughter graduate from high school does not measure one's quality of life.
It's across the board, go back and look at the stats again. If 40.9% (which is really high!) of Bay Area residents have a bachelors degree, that still means 59.1% of Bay Area residents DO NOT have a bachelors degree. A strong majority.

BTW, how can your kids go on to a university without first having a high school diploma?

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Also, what does it matter if many of the degree holders moved to CA from another state? If anything, that just goes to show that the Bay Area is excellent at attracting intelligent and educated people from all over the country and world.
Again true, but it could also indicate that the local population in CA is underqualified to fill a lot of these positions, so companies have no choice but to hire from elsewhere.

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Back to the university question, both cities excel. San Francisco has Stanford and Berkeley in the area, Chicago has Northwestern and U of Chicago. UCSF is an excellent medical school, one of the best in the country. The University of California system is the best in the country by a long shot.
IYO.

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percentage of degree holders in a metro area is much different than quality of a states education system...heck a lot of the degree holders in the bay especially are not from there, and especially engineers in south bay not even from the u.s.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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percentage of degree holders in a metro area is much different than quality of a states education system...heck a lot of the degree holders in the bay especially are not from there, and especially engineers in south bay not even from the u.s.
But that can be said of any major city that draws people from around the country and world.

Furthermore, California's public university and community college system is not only the largest in the nation-but its oldest arm, UC, is the most highly regarded public university-system in academia.

When it comes to gold medal(public) high schools, California is up there with the best of them.

States ranked by % of public high schools earning a silver or higher, 2010
1 Connecticut
2 Massachusetts
3 California
4 New Jersey
5 New York
6 Illinois
7 Vermont
8 Washington
9 Maine
9 Maryland
11 Florida
12 New Hampshire
13 Rhode Island
14 Texas
15 Colorado
16 Nevada
16 Oregon
18 Kentucky
19 North Carolina
20 Georgia

America's Best High Schools: State-by-State Statistics - US News and World Report

So we've got some of the best high schools in the nation and some of the best universities on the face of the earth.

I think we're okay when it comes to education.

And for some ignorant out-of-stater(referring to the person who first talked about west coast education being inferior-as if.) to make such an uninformed comment is quite indicative of their lack of education in and of itself.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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But that can be said of any major city that draws people from around the country and world.

Furthermore, California's public university and community college system is not only the largest in the nation-but its oldest arm, UC, is the most highly regarded public university-system in academia.

When it comes to gold medal(public) high schools, California is up there with the best of them.

States ranked by % of public high schools earning a silver or higher, 2010
1 Connecticut
2 Massachusetts
3 California
4 New Jersey
5 New York
6 Illinois
7 Vermont
8 Washington
9 Maine
9 Maryland
11 Florida
12 New Hampshire
13 Rhode Island
14 Texas
15 Colorado
16 Nevada
16 Oregon
18 Kentucky
19 North Carolina
20 Georgia


America's Best High Schools: State-by-State Statistics - US News and World Report

So we've got some of the best high schools in the nation and some of the best universities on the face of the earth.

I think we're okay when it comes to education.

And for some ignorant out-of-stater(referring to the person who first talked about west coast education being inferior-as if.) to make such an uninformed comment is quite indicative of their lack of education in and of itself.
I find that list extremely questionable at best, being that it includes so many Southern states.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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I find that list extremely questionable at best, being that it includes so many Southern states.
Apparently they have some stellar high schools.

My guess is that some of the schools that rank in USNRs Top 100 are like where their most gifted students are transferred to.

As far as California, the state accounted for 20 of the Top 100 high schools.
America's Best High Schools: Gold Medal List - US News and World Report

LA and SD
3 Whitney High SchoolCerritos, CA
4 Oxford AcademyCypress, CA
22 California Academy of Math and ScienceCarson, CA
23 Animo Leadership Charter High SchoolInglewood, CA
25 Lennox Mathematics, Science and Technology AcademyLennox, CA
32 The Preuss School UCSDLa Jolla, CA
44 School of International Studies San Diego High SchoolSan Diego, CA
54 Hawthorne Math and Science AcademyHawthorne, CA
80 La Cañada High SchoolLa Cañada, CA

Bay Area
7 Pacific Collegiate SchoolSanta Cruz, CA
28 Lowell High SchoolSan Francisco, CA
36 Mission San Jose High SchoolFremont, CA
67 Henry M. Gunn High SchoolPalo Alto, CA
70 Monta Vista High SchoolCupertino, CA
73 Piedmont High SchoolPiedmont, CA
83 Palo Alto High SchoolPalo Alto, CA
86 Campolindo High SchoolMoraga, CA
89 Miramonte High SchoolOrinda, CA
93 Saratoga High SchoolSaratoga, CA
98 Lynbrook High SchoolSan Jose, CA
 
Old 05-15-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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But that can be said of any major city that draws people from around the country and world.

Furthermore, California's public university and community college system is not only the largest in the nation-but its oldest arm, UC, is the most highly regarded public university-system in academia.

When it comes to gold medal(public) high schools, California is up there with the best of them.

States ranked by % of public high schools earning a silver or higher, 2010
1 Connecticut
2 Massachusetts
3 California
4 New Jersey
5 New York
6 Illinois
7 Vermont
8 Washington
9 Maine
9 Maryland
11 Florida
12 New Hampshire
13 Rhode Island
14 Texas
15 Colorado
16 Nevada
16 Oregon
18 Kentucky
19 North Carolina
20 Georgia

America's Best High Schools: State-by-State Statistics - US News and World Report

So we've got some of the best high schools in the nation and some of the best universities on the face of the earth.

I think we're okay when it comes to education.

And for some ignorant out-of-stater(referring to the person who first talked about west coast education being inferior-as if.) to make such an uninformed comment is quite indicative of their lack of education in and of itself.
Yes it has some of the best high schools, but overall due to California's size the high school levels are poor compared to other states across the board. This goes along with a high income disparity. At the university level it is top notch and California is the bench mark for state public school systems as far as quality/cost from graduate level all the way to some of the best and cheapest public community colleges. The privates are stellar as well. Nobody is arguing that, that I know of...
i.e. in Florida, another really bad high school education system across the board, I went to a very high ranked one and in a gifted program, but that doesn't mean as a whole Florida's k-12 system is good, it isn't, neither is California's.
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