U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
View Poll Results: Do you think Texas would ever have #1 in population?
yes 18 31.03%
no 40 68.97%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-11-2010, 04:19 PM
 
Location: In them thar hills
7,774 posts, read 8,934,486 times
Reputation: 3883
It's a difficult question.

While overall US population is still rising, that will not continue for much longer.

So in the end, it becomes a marketing game to attract the largest slice of a shrinking pie.

However, I believe CA is in a secular decline, owing it its embrace of utopian, and dare I say, perhaps even millenarian, ideology, which is now scaring business and investment away.

Whereas TX has the basic classical American "can do" ideology.

So, even with an ultimately shrinking pie, TX will win.

(If you are unclear on why the overall pie will ultimately shrink, you should delve a bit into global demographics - world population will probably peak and enter into a general decline some time over the next 30 to 40 years - maybe even sooner, even the current projection is radically different than the 70s Malthusian and erroneous projections.)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-11-2010, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
15,832 posts, read 18,414,882 times
Reputation: 6637
The difference between Texas and California is Texas has LOTS of land to build on. California has lots of mountains stopping sprawl.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2010, 09:53 PM
 
517 posts, read 713,207 times
Reputation: 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by jluke65780 View Post
The difference between Texas and California is Texas has LOTS of land to build on. California has lots of mountains stopping sprawl.
California still has tons of land to spare.Most of the population lives along the coast. Also Central California is as flat as a pancake, no moutains stopping sprawl there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
15,293 posts, read 10,934,798 times
Reputation: 10756
I do not forsee Texas supplanting California unless there is some natural disaster....i.e. a major earthquake.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
10,129 posts, read 12,666,095 times
Reputation: 5285
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcee510 View Post
California still has tons of land to spare.Most of the population lives along the coast. Also Central California is as flat as a pancake, no moutains stopping sprawl there.
Most of the jobs are along the coast and not in the Central Valley. Once you get away from commuting distance from the Bay Area and LA those communities will only grow so much b/c of the lack of jobs. Also water is a major issue in Ca, not sure how much more sprawl in can take w/o some serious fundamental changes in its water supply system.

Due to the taxes, regulations, general cost of living here, etc.. CA will not experience the DOMESTIC population growth anywhere close to what TX experiences ever again. It will look more like Northeastern states in terms of population growth imo. And that's a good thing. If TX wants the #1 most populated state title they can have for all I care.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2010, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
7,616 posts, read 8,821,856 times
Reputation: 4853
Quote:
Originally Posted by PITTSTON2SARASOTA View Post
I do not forsee Texas supplanting California unless there is some natural disaster....i.e. a major earthquake.
This.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
2,685 posts, read 3,540,132 times
Reputation: 2243
Quote:
Originally Posted by sav858 View Post
Most of the jobs are along the coast and not in the Central Valley. Once you get away from commuting distance from the Bay Area and LA those communities will only grow so much b/c of the lack of jobs. Also water is a major issue in Ca, not sure how much more sprawl in can take w/o some serious fundamental changes in its water supply system.

Due to the taxes, regulations, general cost of living here, etc.. CA will not experience the DOMESTIC population growth anywhere close to what TX experiences ever again. It will look more like Northeastern states in terms of population growth imo. And that's a good thing. If TX wants the #1 most populated state title they can have for all I care.
I wholeheartedly agree with this post. California's Central Valley grows a HUGE chunk of the US' produce. Why would we want to lose that to urban sprawl? It already has the highest foreclosure rates in the nation (San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Merced, and Kern Counties) with some of the worst air in the US from pesticides, smog, and other particulates (something about those cows at Harris Ranch) and increasing social problems FROM population growth.

(Source: Interactive Map: The Economy Where You Live : NPR)

I honestly wouldn't mind if California stopped growing at this point to deal with the problems of having around 31 million people (Greater LA + Bay Area + San Diego + Sacramento) in around 10,000 square miles combined or an area a little more than the size of Maryland (source: List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Anyways, population growth rates change all the time. It's a dynamic process. That's why I never read projections anymore because they are rarely correct, no matter what type of algorithm for calculation is used. If current growth rates hold, it will take until 2052, using simple math. It's hard to project what will happen a year from now, never mind decades ahead.

I will say this: as of this point in American history, Texas' star is shining brighter than California's. How long will this last, only time can tell.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2010, 01:19 AM
 
517 posts, read 713,207 times
Reputation: 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by sav858 View Post
Most of the jobs are along the coast and not in the Central Valley. Once you get away from commuting distance from the Bay Area and LA those communities will only grow so much b/c of the lack of jobs. Also water is a major issue in Ca, not sure how much more sprawl in can take w/o some serious fundamental changes in its water supply system.

Due to the taxes, regulations, general cost of living here, etc.. CA will not experience the DOMESTIC population growth anywhere close to what TX experiences ever again. It will look more like Northeastern states in terms of population growth imo. And that's a good thing. If TX wants the #1 most populated state title they can have for all I care.
I do agree that's its not the best idea to sprawl into the central valley but some were under the assumption that California didn't have the land left to sprawl if it wanted it when in fact most of our land isn't even built on.But I do agree that if Texas wants to take the title from us go ahead and enjoy those long commutes to work.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-13-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
3,196 posts, read 3,161,401 times
Reputation: 955
I want Texas to BUY the #1 title from us. It's for sale--just make an offer!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-14-2010, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Houston
2,026 posts, read 2,297,780 times
Reputation: 433
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcashley View Post
I want Texas to BUY the #1 title from us. It's for sale--just make an offer!
Texas gets even more of an ego boost and California gets out of debt, so everyone wins. I like it. Lets do this! Who do we call to get this deal made?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $79,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top