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View Poll Results: Which Cities Have a Truly Urban Downtown?
Boston 141 46.38%
Providence 32 10.53%
Hartford 17 5.59%
New York City 205 67.43%
Buffalo 20 6.58%
Philadelphia 147 48.36%
Pittsburgh 61 20.07%
Baltimore 55 18.09%
Washington D.C. 89 29.28%
Charlotte 16 5.26%
Atlanta 36 11.84%
Jacksonville 7 2.30%
Orlando 9 2.96%
Tampa 11 3.62%
Miami 34 11.18%
Nashville 15 4.93%
Memphis 19 6.25%
Cleveland 33 10.86%
Columbus 16 5.26%
Cincinnati 33 10.86%
Detroit 41 13.49%
Indianapolis 25 8.22%
Chicago 158 51.97%
Milwaukee 38 12.50%
Minneapolis 42 13.82%
St. Louis 33 10.86%
Kansas City 21 6.91%
New Orleans 44 14.47%
Houston 28 9.21%
Dallas 30 9.87%
San Antonio 20 6.58%
Austin 17 5.59%
Denver 41 13.49%
Phoenix 10 3.29%
Las Vegas 12 3.95%
San Diego 38 12.50%
Los Angeles 55 18.09%
San Francisco 151 49.67%
Portland 44 14.47%
Seattle 92 30.26%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 304. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-09-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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There is no way there are more residents in downtown Dallas than downtown Seattle...I have a feeling these stats are not very accurate.
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Old 04-09-2009, 04:56 PM
 
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There is no way there are more residents in downtown Dallas than downtown Seattle...I have a feeling these stats are not very accurate.

Downtown Seattle at 22,000 looks right...Doubling of downtown's population foreseen - Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle):



Downtown Dallas is more like 10,000...Downtown Dallas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Omaha
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Exactly. And there is no ****ing way Buffalo has 22-25K downtown. Thats like me suggesting Omaha is hosting the olympics. Maybe special olympics...
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Old 04-09-2009, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Some of these "downtowns" are greatly exaggerated, covering much more territory than others. If we're comparing downtowns, we should compare a specific number of square miles or only include a specific area - like the financial district, which I always thought was equivalent to downtown. Some of these numbers ARE for the specific financial or central business districts, while others are for an area expanded much further than the downtown boundaries.

For example:

Downtown Los Angeles is said to be made up of 15 neighborhoods covering 14 square miles...hence the 40,000 residents.

36,000 is the population of Greater Downtown Detroit, which includes the central business district and a collection of neighborhoods surrounding it.

Center City Philadelphia is bounded by South Street to the south, the Deleware River to the east, the Schuylkill River to the west and Spring Garden Street to the north. The 88,000 population refers to an expanded area including neighborhoods outside of Center City.

The population of San Francisco's Financial District is 10,000. The 43,000 figure is for the Financial District, the Tenderloin, Chinatown, and a few other neighborhoods.
I don't see your point. These are the downtowns defined by the cities themselves, and "downtown" is not necessarily synonymous with "Central Business District." I can also tell you that you're simply wrong about Philadelphia's Center City population, for example. It's definitely not exaggerated -- if anything, it's understated.

You make it sound as if these areas are in far flung neighborhoods of the city when, in fact, CC is a very small, dense core with neighborhoods in immediate proximity to the CBD. That figure does not include neighborhoods outside of this boundary:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/CCPhilaDistrict.PNG (broken link)

3.3 sq. miles out of 127 city sq. miles total is not what I'd consider far flung or "exaggerated" by any stretch.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/CCPhilaDistrict.PNG (broken link)

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Old 04-09-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Excellent rebuttal Duderino. In defense of DeaconJ give him/her a break, he/she lives in Atl where things tend to sprawl, not that there is anything wrong with that. 90,000 people live in Center City another 50,000 residents and 50,000 college students live in adjacent University City(2.2 sq mi.). Nearly all walk, bike or take mass transit to work/ school.Nearly all residences built to serve the Central Business District.


Here is the SW quadrant of Center City Philadelphia.


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Old 04-09-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: BUFFALO, NY
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Hardly disappointing,and there is some density but it's hard to tell if it's urban without street level pictures,you know? Nothing against Buffalo,it's a great city,just not enough pictures that truly do it justice.
Yes, and there are plenty of photos out there from the air and various perspectives that I personally have not been able to get or use the photos as they are not of my taking. Sure I like to represent the better angles of my fine city, yet I'm just now looking for more perspectives. Thanks for the input. You are very kind in your posts to other cities! That's a great quality, (something City-Data could use more of) keep it up!
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:43 PM
 
Location: BUFFALO, NY
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Excellent rebuttal Duderino. In defense of DeaconJ give him/her a break, he/she lives in Atl where things tend to sprawl, not that there is anything wrong with that. 90,000 people live in Center City another 50,000 residents and 50,000 college students live in adjacent University City(2.2 sq mi.). Nearly all walk, bike or take mass transit to work/ school.Nearly all residences built to serve the Central Business District.


Here is the SW quadrant of Center City Philadelphia.
omg. that's beautiful. I've been to Center City Philly, but that is a spectacular shot! Go Philly! Forget about downtown populations! Just look at that growing night skyline...
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:43 PM
 
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"Downtown" is the office district. It does not refer to urban neighborhoods.

Of all those cities listed, only NYC and Chicago have urban downtowns. Both are amazing, and both are separate and distinct from their urban neighborhoods. Certainly there are high rises for residential purposes, but the purpose of "downtown" is business.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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Yeah that's a great shot of Philly..the 2nd one that was up was very nice as well. Easily the most improved skyline in the last couple years.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:26 PM
 
Location: BUFFALO, NY
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Yeah that's a great shot of Philly..the 2nd one that was up was very nice as well. Easily the most improved skyline in the last couple years.
I agree. Anyone know if Philly is moving on with their new tallest?
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