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There is more than a VERY distinct possibility AT&T will be constructing a signature tower in Dallas. Please read the following article from when AT&T moved its world headquarters to Dallas in 2008:
AT&T moving headquarters to Dallas from San Antonio | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-att_28bus.ART.State.Edition2.4d5475b.html - broken link)
Specific quotes from the above article:
The nation's 10th-largest company will be moving to existing AT&T offices at 208 S. Akard St., in downtown Dallas.
That won't necessarily be AT&T's permanent home, though. "We're continuing to evaluate our long-term real estate needs in the Dallas area," Mr. Sharp said.
AT&T isn't saying what facilities or areas it is looking at for its permanent home. Mr. Leppert said his goal is to persuade AT&T to remain in the central city, whether that's in the Victory area, in the planned developments along the Trinity River or elsewhere.
So AT&T looking at a new headquarters is something that has been discussed from the beginning of their move to Dallas. They have four buildings in Downtown Dallas that they currently occupy but they could easily co-locate all of those employees in a spectacular supertall signature skyscraper befitting the financial titan that they are in the business world.
Secondly, there does seem to be a great deal of bashing going on from the Houston people.
I guess it is difficult for the Houston people to face the fact that Dallas is the 4th largest metropolitan area in the nation and Houston is only 6th.
You will see that Dallas' 2009 estimate for metropolitan population is 6,447,615 compared to Houston's 5,867,489. The latest census estimates place the Dallas Metropolis at just shy of 7,000,000 people.
And please do not start any jealousy fueled nitpicking about whether it is just Dallas since all of Dallas' suburbs (including Ft. Worth, Arlington, Plano, Irving, etc., etc.) are included in the Dallas metro area.
Houston is lumped with Sugar Land, Baytown, and Huntsville which I believe includes the Galveston area also.
Dallas actually even grew faster than Houston from 2000 to 2009 at 24.92% population growth while Houston's metro area grew at 24.43%.
Facts are facts.
Dallas is rapidly becoming another Los Angeles in its sprawl and growth in all directions. Just look at a map with the freeway system of Dallas and one can see it is a massive overlay of freeways covering an incredible amount of square footage that is rapidly filling in from one end to the other. Just like what happened with LA. This is why Dallas is now in the same league as New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles as the 4th largest metropolitan area in the nation and growing rapidly (sorry Houston!).
And just like LA, Dallas has multiple "downtowns" spread all over the metro region including Ft. Worth, Irving Las Colinas, Galleria, North Dallas Tollway district north of the Galleria, the Stemmons corridor, Preston Center, to name a few.
The massive number of highrise developments in Uptown and Victory Park are really just extensions of Downtown Dallas that have sprung up across Woodall Rogers Freeway and which will even be physically connected to Downtown Dallas with the Woodall Urban Deck Park being constructed as this is being written. The Urban Park will link both sides of Dallas Downtown' core with a spectacular landscaped park.
Another very interesting fact that everyone should be aware of is that Dallas is ranked higher than Houston in the number of skyscrapers the city has. Please go here for those facts and statistics:
Dallas is ranked 23rd in the world in the number of skyscrapers within the city.
Houston is ranked 25th.
Dallas has 312 buildings of which 302 are considered highrises. Houston has 302 buildings of which 298 are considered highrises. The ranking is based on the number of completed highrises, of which Dallas has more.
Houston has some very beautiful buildings and some great things going on. Dallas has the same.
There have been mistakes made in Dallas along the way, the most glaring is the fact that former Mayor Laura Miller literally single handedly ran the Dallas Cowboys away from Dallas when they wanted to build their new world class state-of-the-art 1.5 billion dollar stadium at Fair Park, on the eastern edge of Downtown Dallas.
Had the Cowboy Stadium been built at Fair Park, the growth that would have sprung up around it would have mirrored the growth that has occurred around American Airlines Center in Victory Park. Now with the stadium in Arlington, none of that exciting hyper urban growth will attach itself to the stadium area.
I will also point out that many years ago Dallas had a developer who hired a leading design firm to develop plans for a 100 story skyscraper that would have been built on the edge of Woodall Rogers Freeway in the West End on land the developer had assembled for the project. The FAA nixed the skyscraper's location because it would have potentially interfered with the flight plans for Dallas Love Field. Alas, what could have been!
Cheers for both Dallas and Houston. And the friendly rivalry continues!
There is more than a VERY distinct possibility AT&T will be constructing a signature tower in Dallas. Please read the following article from when AT&T moved its world headquarters to Dallas in 2008:
AT&T moving headquarters to Dallas from San Antonio | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-att_28bus.ART.State.Edition2.4d5475b.html - broken link)
Specific quotes from the above article:
The nation's 10th-largest company will be moving to existing AT&T offices at 208 S. Akard St., in downtown Dallas.
That won't necessarily be AT&T's permanent home, though. "We're continuing to evaluate our long-term real estate needs in the Dallas area," Mr. Sharp said.
AT&T isn't saying what facilities or areas it is looking at for its permanent home. Mr. Leppert said his goal is to persuade AT&T to remain in the central city, whether that's in the Victory area, in the planned developments along the Trinity River or elsewhere.
So AT&T looking at a new headquarters is something that has been discussed from the beginning of their move to Dallas. They have four buildings in Downtown Dallas that they currently occupy but they could easily co-locate all of those employees in a spectacular supertall signature skyscraper befitting the financial titan that they are in the business world.
Secondly, there does seem to be a great deal of bashing going on from the Houston people.
I guess it is difficult for the Houston people to face the fact that Dallas is the 4th largest metropolitan area in the nation and Houston is only 6th.
You will see that Dallas' 2009 estimate for metropolitan population is 6,447,615 compared to Houston's 5,867,489. The latest census estimates place the Dallas Metropolis at just shy of 7,000,000 people.
And please do not start any jealousy fueled nitpicking about whether it is just Dallas since all of Dallas' suburbs (including Ft. Worth, Arlington, Plano, Irving, etc., etc.) are included in the Dallas metro area.
Houston is lumped with Sugar Land, Baytown, and Huntsville which I believe includes the Galveston area also.
Dallas actually even grew faster than Houston from 2000 to 2009 at 24.92% population growth while Houston's metro area grew at 24.43%.
Facts are facts.
Dallas is rapidly becoming another Los Angeles in its sprawl and growth in all directions. Just look at a map with the freeway system of Dallas and one can see it is a massive overlay of freeways covering an incredible amount of square footage that is rapidly filling in from one end to the other. Just like what happened with LA. This is why Dallas is now in the same league as New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles as the 4th largest metropolitan area in the nation and growing rapidly (sorry Houston!).
And just like LA, Dallas has multiple "downtowns" spread all over the metro region including Ft. Worth, Irving Las Colinas, Galleria, North Dallas Tollway district north of the Galleria, the Stemmons corridor, Preston Center, to name a few.
The massive number of highrise developments in Uptown and Victory Park are really just extensions of Downtown Dallas that have sprung up across Woodall Rogers Freeway and which will even be physically connected to Downtown Dallas with the Woodall Urban Deck Park being constructed as this is being written. The Urban Park will link both sides of Dallas Downtown' core with a spectacular landscaped park.
Another very interesting fact that everyone should be aware of is that Dallas is ranked higher than Houston in the number of skyscrapers the city has. Please go here for those facts and statistics:
Dallas is ranked 23rd in the world in the number of skyscrapers within the city.
Houston is ranked 25th.
Dallas has 312 buildings of which 302 are considered highrises. Houston has 302 buildings of which 298 are considered highrises. The ranking is based on the number of completed highrises, of which Dallas has more .
Houston has some very beautiful buildings and some great things going on. Dallas has the same.
There have been mistakes made in Dallas along the way, the most glaring is the fact that former Mayor Laura Miller literally single handedly ran the Dallas Cowboys away from Dallas when they wanted to build their new world class state-of-the-art 1.5 billion dollar stadium at Fair Park, on the eastern edge of Downtown Dallas.
Had the Cowboy Stadium been built at Fair Park, the growth that would have sprung up around it would have mirrored the growth that has occurred around American Airlines Center in Victory Park. Now with the stadium in Arlington, none of that exciting hyper urban growth will attach itself to the stadium area.
I will also point out that many years ago Dallas had a developer who hired a leading design firm to develop plans for a 100 story skyscraper that would have been built on the edge of Woodall Rogers Freeway in the West End on land the developer had assembled for the project. The FAA nixed the skyscraper's location because it would have potentially interfered with the flight plans for Dallas Love Field. Alas, what could have been!
Cheers for both Dallas and Houston. And the friendly rivalry continues!
SSP is just a little more reliable than C-D which isn't saying much. Even Emporis, "the bible of all things city" isn't fully updated.
D/FW may have more buildings over 10 stories than Metro Houston, but Metro Houston has more towers over 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, & 1,000 ft. No one can dispute that.
Lastly, D/FW's development pattern is similar to how LA used to be, which is not a good thing at all. At least all of Houston's urban development is contained within its 610 Loop that has a smaller diameter than Dallas' 635 LBJ.
Both cities have come a long way over the past 10 years & even though the Metroplex is larger by 500k-700k people, Metro Houston still "feels" like the larger of the two with its monstrously wide freeways zipping past crops of gleaming glass towers seemingly sprouting up out of no where.
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There is more than a VERY distinct possibility AT&T will be constructing a signature tower in Dallas. Please read the following article from when AT&T moved its world headquarters to Dallas in 2008:
AT&T moving headquarters to Dallas from San Antonio | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-att_28bus.ART.State.Edition2.4d5475b.html - broken link)
Specific quotes from the above article:
The nation's 10th-largest company will be moving to existing AT&T offices at 208 S. Akard St., in downtown Dallas.
That won't necessarily be AT&T's permanent home, though. "We're continuing to evaluate our long-term real estate needs in the Dallas area," Mr. Sharp said.
AT&T isn't saying what facilities or areas it is looking at for its permanent home. Mr. Leppert said his goal is to persuade AT&T to remain in the central city, whether that's in the Victory area, in the planned developments along the Trinity River or elsewhere.
So AT&T looking at a new headquarters is something that has been discussed from the beginning of their move to Dallas. They have four buildings in Downtown Dallas that they currently occupy but they could easily co-locate all of those employees in a spectacular supertall signature skyscraper befitting the financial titan that they are in the business world.
Secondly, there does seem to be a great deal of bashing going on from the Houston people.
I guess it is difficult for the Houston people to face the fact that Dallas is the 4th largest metropolitan area in the nation and Houston is only 6th.
You will see that Dallas' 2009 estimate for metropolitan population is 6,447,615 compared to Houston's 5,867,489. The latest census estimates place the Dallas Metropolis at just shy of 7,000,000 people.
And please do not start any jealousy fueled nitpicking about whether it is just Dallas since all of Dallas' suburbs (including Ft. Worth, Arlington, Plano, Irving, etc., etc.) are included in the Dallas metro area.
Houston is lumped with Sugar Land, Baytown, and Huntsville which I believe includes the Galveston area also.
Dallas actually even grew faster than Houston from 2000 to 2009 at 24.92% population growth while Houston's metro area grew at 24.43%.
Facts are facts.
Dallas is rapidly becoming another Los Angeles in its sprawl and growth in all directions. Just look at a map with the freeway system of Dallas and one can see it is a massive overlay of freeways covering an incredible amount of square footage that is rapidly filling in from one end to the other. Just like what happened with LA. This is why Dallas is now in the same league as New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles as the 4th largest metropolitan area in the nation and growing rapidly (sorry Houston!).
And just like LA, Dallas has multiple "downtowns" spread all over the metro region including Ft. Worth, Irving Las Colinas, Galleria, North Dallas Tollway district north of the Galleria, the Stemmons corridor, Preston Center, to name a few.
The massive number of highrise developments in Uptown and Victory Park are really just extensions of Downtown Dallas that have sprung up across Woodall Rogers Freeway and which will even be physically connected to Downtown Dallas with the Woodall Urban Deck Park being constructed as this is being written. The Urban Park will link both sides of Dallas Downtown' core with a spectacular landscaped park.
Another very interesting fact that everyone should be aware of is that Dallas is ranked higher than Houston in the number of skyscrapers the city has. Please go here for those facts and statistics:
Dallas is ranked 23rd in the world in the number of skyscrapers within the city.
Houston is ranked 25th.
Dallas has 312 buildings of which 302 are considered highrises. Houston has 302 buildings of which 298 are considered highrises. The ranking is based on the number of completed highrises, of which Dallas has more.
Houston has some very beautiful buildings and some great things going on. Dallas has the same.
There have been mistakes made in Dallas along the way, the most glaring is the fact that former Mayor Laura Miller literally single handedly ran the Dallas Cowboys away from Dallas when they wanted to build their new world class state-of-the-art 1.5 billion dollar stadium at Fair Park, on the eastern edge of Downtown Dallas.
Had the Cowboy Stadium been built at Fair Park, the growth that would have sprung up around it would have mirrored the growth that has occurred around American Airlines Center in Victory Park. Now with the stadium in Arlington, none of that exciting hyper urban growth will attach itself to the stadium area.
I will also point out that many years ago Dallas had a developer who hired a leading design firm to develop plans for a 100 story skyscraper that would have been built on the edge of Woodall Rogers Freeway in the West End on land the developer had assembled for the project. The FAA nixed the skyscraper's location because it would have potentially interfered with the flight plans for Dallas Love Field. Alas, what could have been!
Cheers for both Dallas and Houston. And the friendly rivalry continues!
Do you know how many aspects of your post are wrong?
Okay, my friend Dylan, he just moved to Denver- he designed & owns SkyscraperPage.com, it isn't realistic with it's numbers at all. Don't believe me, send me a message I'll give you his phone number, you can ask him yourself. The only thing realistic about his site are the projects coming in and out in the city. Look at the population figures in SSP and tell me how far behind it is. The building count is entirely wrong as well... and it's no where near the relative number for any of the cities he has listed. He js made the site to quit working part time at Wal-Green's and to make more pocket cash off advertisement and traffic..
Another easy solution if you don't believe me, go to their page, and get their staff email address, email one of their staff, tell them you want Dylan's email address, tell them your a friend of his in Denver, and email him and ask him yourself. He will tell you the exact same thing I am right now.
^^ There, now take a look at how your precious Dallas ranks, oh that's right, behind Houston (oh wait, not even on the top 10 world list! Wow what a shocker!). Done by a more reliable source, where people do a study all the time. Houston is the 3rd most tallest and largest skyline in USA... Dallas, not even close.
As for Dallas getting this new building, please, post back when it's even somewhat true. Because right now it's not- and you never quoted how it's going to be a 100 stories tall. Just that they're considering a move.
Okay, I just read your source;
1. It's over two years old.
2. It says nothing about a supertall.
3. All the unbiased Dallas posters here can even tell you Houston has more skyscrapers.
Yeah DFW is growing slightly more than Houston. But city of Houston is growing faster than city of Dallas.
And by the way, the population is at 5.9 million right now.
And another thing, no way DFW MSA is nearing 7 million... no way possible. Only the CSA number would be anywhere close to that.
Here is a more reliable source han SSP:
Dallas- 242 buildings total
Houston- 355 buildings total
I don't undestand what Houstonians should be jealous if they're city is more further ahead than Dallas? One tower won't change Dallas's rankings and take it soaring past Houston.
Just saying, you have to know the credibility of your sources before posting.
EDIT: I know who you are, so after getting banned earlier this week I see your back Kate_She... look it's one thing to say "I prefer Dallas's skyline more" and another to say "Dallas has a taller and larger skyline", which is abruptly false. Hope you now understand the difference between facts and preference.
Do you know how many aspects of your post are wrong?
Okay, my friend Dylan, he just moved to Denver- he designed & owns SkyscraperPage.com, it isn't realistic with it's numbers at all. Don't believe me, send me a message I'll give you his phone number, you can ask him yourself. The only thing realistic about his site are the projects coming in and out in the city. Look at the population figures in SSP and tell me how far behind it is. The building count is entirely wrong as well... and it's no where near the relative number for any of the cities he has listed. He js made the site to quit working part time at Wal-Green's and to make more pocket cash off advertisement and traffic..
^^ There, now take a look at how your precious Dallas ranks, oh that's right, behind Houston. Done by a more reliable source, where people do a study all the time. Houston is the 3rd most tallest and largest skyline in USA... Dallas, not even close.
As for Dallas getting this new building, please, post back when it's even somewhat true. Because right now it's not- and you never quoted how it's going to be a 100 stories tall. Just that they're considering a move.
Okay, I just read your source;
1. It's over two years old.
2. It says nothing about a supertall.
3. All the unbiased Dallas posters here can even tell you Houston has more skyscrapers.
Yeah DFW is growing slightly more than Houston. But city of Houston is growing faster than city of Dallas.
And by the way, the population is at 5.9 million right now.
And another thing, no way DFW MSA is nearing 7 million... no way possible. Onl the CSA number would be anywhere close to that.
Here is a more reliable source han SSP:
Dallas- 242 buildings total
Houston- 355
I don't undestand wh Houstonians should be jealous if they're city is more further ahead than Dallas? One tower won't change Dallas's rankings and take it soaring past Houston.
Just saying, you have to know the credibility of your sources before posting.
EDIT: I know who you are, so after getting banned earlier this week I see your back Kate_She... look it's one thing to say "I prefer Dallas's skyline more" and another to say "Dallas has a taller and larger skyline", which is abruptly false. Hope you now understand the difference between facts and preference.
Do you know how many aspects of your post are wrong?
Okay, my friend Dylan, he just moved to Denver- he designed & owns SkyscraperPage.com, it isn't realistic with it's numbers at all. Don't believe me, send me a message I'll give you his phone number, you can ask him yourself. The only thing realistic about his site are the projects coming in and out in the city. Look at the population figures in SSP and tell me how far behind it is. The building count is entirely wrong as well... and it's no where near the relative number for any of the cities he has listed. He js made the site to quit working part time at Wal-Green's and to make more pocket cash off advertisement and traffic..
^^ There, now take a look at how your precious Dallas ranks, oh that's right, behind Houston. Done by a more reliable source, where people do a study all the time. Houston is the 3rd most tallest and largest skyline in USA... Dallas, not even close.
As for Dallas getting this new building, please, post back when it's even somewhat true. Because right now it's not- and you never quoted how it's going to be a 100 stories tall. Just that they're considering a move.
Okay, I just read your source;
1. It's over two years old.
2. It says nothing about a supertall.
3. All the unbiased Dallas posters here can even tell you Houston has more skyscrapers.
Yeah DFW is growing slightly more than Houston. But city of Houston is growing faster than city of Dallas.
And by the way, the population is at 5.9 million right now.
And another thing, no way DFW MSA is nearing 7 million... no way possible. Onl the CSA number would be anywhere close to that.
Here is a more reliable source han SSP:
Dallas- 242 buildings total
Houston- 355
I don't undestand wh Houstonians should be jealous if they're city is more further ahead than Dallas? One tower won't change Dallas's rankings and take it soaring past Houston.
Just saying, you have to know the credibility of your sources before posting.
EDIT: I know who you are, so after getting banned earlier this week I see your back Kate_She... look it's one thing to say "I prefer Dallas's skyline more" and another to say "Dallas has a taller and larger skyline", which is abruptly false. Hope you now understand the difference between facts and preference.
And what part of FAA guidlines and flight plans does kate_she/hot_shott not understand? A tower that tall can't be built in Downtown Dallas because of Love Field.
And what part of FAA guidlines and flight plans does kate_she/hot_shott not understand? A tower that tall can't be built in Downtown Dallas because of Love Field.
She lacks comprehension.
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