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Old 10-08-2009, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by waronxmas View Post
This is, as you stated, from 2004.

If you checked your sources then you would have seen this:

Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



So the list goes (just the American ones):
  1. New York City - Alpha++
  2. Chicago - Alpha-
  3. Los Angeles - Beta+
  4. Washington D.C. - Beta+
  5. Atlanta - Beta+
  6. San Francisco - Beta+
  7. Dallas - Beta
  8. Miami - Beta
  9. Houston - Beta-

As I was only speaking about the GaWC, the Foreign Policy list is irrelevant, but I'll play.

Yes, it did not place Atlanta as the 5th most important American city....but as the 8th.

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index

As you can imagine, there is considerable debate as to which city is most important after New York, Chicago, L.A. and D.C. What isn't up for debate is whether or not Atlanta is worthy enough to contest that spot or it's unquestioned stance as the Southeast's dominant city.
We've had this discussion at least once on this thread and like three more other threads trying to put Atlanta in the top 5 or above fill-in-the-blank-city using The Global City Rankings.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by waronxmas View Post
This is, as you stated, from 2004.

If you checked your sources then you would have seen this:

Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



So the list goes (just the American ones):
  1. New York City - Alpha++
  2. Chicago - Alpha-
  3. Los Angeles - Beta+
  4. Washington D.C. - Beta+
  5. Atlanta - Beta+
  6. San Francisco - Beta+
  7. Dallas - Beta
  8. Miami - Beta
  9. Houston - Beta-

As I was only speaking about the GaWC, the Foreign Policy list is irrelevant, but I'll play.

Yes, it did not place Atlanta as the 5th most important American city....but as the 8th.

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index

As you can imagine, there is considerable debate as to which city is most important after New York, Chicago, L.A. and D.C. What isn't up for debate is whether or not Atlanta is worthy enough to contest that spot or it's unquestioned stance as the Southeast's dominant city.
There's no question that Atlanta is the Southeast's most important city...but like I said before, a lesser city shouldn't be considered more important just because it's in a less significant region. Here's another ranking from 2008 which I listed before. I had actually posted your GaWC ranking on a previous thread and Montclair made some very good points as to why it wasn't legitimate. Until we can get his input, here's another global city ranking:

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index

1. New York City
6. Los Angeles
8. Chicago
11. Washington DC
15. San Francisco
29. Boston
32. Miami
37. Atlanta

Ok, just realized you had seen this ranking...but if you're going to raise this argument, how is one ranking more legitimate than the other?

Ignoring all rankings from the previously mentioned publications, the only advantage I've seen that Atlanta has over SF, Boston and Houston is transportation.

Let's see what advantages Houston, Boston, and San Francisco have over Atlanta:

Houston: Oil, Energy, Medical Services, much larger economy

San Francisco: High Tech, Financial Services, Biotechnology, much larger economy

Boston: Biotechnology, Healthcare, Financial Services, High Tech, Education, Consultancy/Business Management, much larger economy.

(obviously I'm a bit more familiar with Boston and can therefore point out our advantages moreso than Houston and San Francisco...however, I'm sure some SF and Hou forumers will be more than happy to fill in the blanks)

Other than being a transportation hub, what does Atlanta do that makes it stand out?

I am not denying that Atlanta is a Top 10 city. But is it as important as Boston, SF, or Hou? The answer is no.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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Oh sure...if Atlanta is ranked #5 and ahead of your favorites, then the list can't be legitimate.

Any list is deemed legitimate if it supports one's personal opinions...and is not legitimate if it disproves one's personal opinions. It happens all the time in these forums.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Originally Posted by waronxmas View Post
This is, as you stated, from 2004.

If you checked your sources then you would have seen this:

Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



So the list goes (just the American ones):
  1. New York City - Alpha++
  2. Chicago - Alpha-
  3. Los Angeles - Beta+
  4. Washington D.C. - Beta+
  5. Atlanta - Beta+
  6. San Francisco - Beta+
  7. Dallas - Beta
  8. Miami - Beta
  9. Houston - Beta-
As I was only speaking about the GaWC, the Foreign Policy list is irrelevant, but I'll play.

Yes, it did not place Atlanta as the 5th most important American city....but as the 8th.

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index

As you can imagine, there is considerable debate as to which city is most important after New York, Chicago, L.A. and D.C. What isn't up for debate is whether or not Atlanta is worthy enough to contest that spot or it's unquestioned stance as the Southeast's dominant city.
Ill just finish off the list for comparative purposes. All in all, 45 cities from the US made the complete list:
  1. New York City - Alpha++
  2. Chicago - Alpha-
  3. Los Angeles - Beta+
  4. Washington D.C. - Beta+
  5. Atlanta - Beta+
  6. San Francisco - Beta+
  7. Dallas - Beta
  8. Miami - Beta
  9. Houston - Beta-
  10. Denver - Gamma+
  11. Minneapolis - Gamma+
  12. Seattle - Gamma+
  13. Philly - Gamma
  14. Detroit - Gamma
  15. Portland - Gamma
  16. San Diego - Gamma-
  17. Columbus - High Sufficiency
  18. Phoenix - High Sufficiency
  19. Cleveland - High Sufficiency
  20. San Juan - High Sufficiency
  21. Kansas City - High Sufficiency
  22. Pittsburgh - High Sufficiency
  23. Tampa - High Sufficiency
  24. Orlando - High Sufficiency
  25. Charlotte - High Sufficiency
  26. Indianapolis - High Sufficiency
  27. Baltimore - High Sufficiency
  28. Sacramento - High Sufficiency
  29. Milwaukee - High Sufficiency
  30. Richmond - High Sufficiency
  31. San Jose - Sufficiency
  32. Las Vegas -Sufficiency
  33. Memphis - Sufficiency
  34. Nashville - Sufficiency
  35. Raleigh - Sufficiency
  36. Omaha - Sufficiency
  37. Honolulu - Sufficiency
  38. Hartford - Sufficiency
  39. Austin - Sufficiency
  40. Salt Lake City - Sufficiency
  41. Tulsa - Sufficiency
  42. Birmingham - Sufficiency
  43. Rochester - Sufficiency
  44. Cinncinatti - Sufficiency
  45. New Orleans - Sufficiency
GAWC World Cities Ranking List
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Originally Posted by waronxmas View Post
This is, as you stated, from 2004.

If you checked your sources then you would have seen this:

Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



So the list goes (just the American ones):
  1. New York City - Alpha++
  2. Chicago - Alpha-
  3. Los Angeles - Beta+
  4. Washington D.C. - Beta+
  5. Atlanta - Beta+
  6. San Francisco - Beta+
  7. Dallas - Beta
  8. Miami - Beta
  9. Houston - Beta-

As I was only speaking about the GaWC, the Foreign Policy list is irrelevant, but I'll play.

Yes, it did not place Atlanta as the 5th most important American city....but as the 8th.

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index

As you can imagine, there is considerable debate as to which city is most important after New York, Chicago, L.A. and D.C. What isn't up for debate is whether or not Atlanta is worthy enough to contest that spot or it's unquestioned stance as the Southeast's dominant city.
It's easily up for debate. Plain and simple. Atlanta isn't a top 5 city and your crazy for truly believing it. Nothing you've stated about Atlanta's economy and importance is reasonable enough to place it so high.

Homeland Security Terror-Risk List

The Tier I list of cities (that receive the most funding):

Bay Area (CA)
Chicago Area (IL)
Houston Area (TX)
Los Angeles/Long Beach Area (CA)
National Capital Region (DC)
New York City/Northern New Jersey Area
• New York City Area
• Jersey City/Newark Area

When Atlanta makes this list; than you can start boasting. This list pretty much shows American's most important cities.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Oh sure...if Atlanta is ranked #5 and ahead of your favorites, then the list can't be legitimate.

Any list is deemed legitimate if it supports one's personal opinions...and is not legitimate if it disproves one's personal opinions. It happens all the time in these forums.
I showed 2 lists which showed Boston and SF ahead of Atlanta...and then I said "ignoring all lists, why is Atlanta ahead of Boston, SF, and Houston?"

So go ahead, let's hear it.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:23 PM
 
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I showed 2 lists which showed Boston and SF ahead of Atlanta...and then I said "ignoring all lists, why is Atlanta ahead of Boston, SF, and Houston?"

So go ahead, let's hear it.
Then you proceeded to list, in your opinion, how those cities are more important than Atlanta. It wasn't based on facts.

In MY opinion, Atlanta is a leader in: media, transportation, higher education, engineering, government (federal), Fortune 500 headquarters, medical research, banking/finance, food service, and probably others that I can't think of. I don't specifically know that Atlanta is ahead of your little list of cities in all of these areas, but its at least on or near the same level.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Originally Posted by DeaconJ View Post
Oh sure...if Atlanta is ranked #5 and ahead of your favorites, then the list can't be legitimate.

Any list is deemed legitimate if it supports one's personal opinions...and is not legitimate if it disproves one's personal opinions. It happens all the time in these forums.
Im willing to go along with the list because it has a scientific purpose to the study.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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It's easily up for debate. Plain and simple. Atlanta isn't a top 5 city and your crazy for truly believing it. Nothing you've stated about Atlanta's economy and importance is reasonable enough to place it so high.

Homeland Security Terror-Risk List

The Tier I list of cities (that receive the most funding):

Bay Area (CA)
Chicago Area (IL)
Houston Area (TX)
Los Angeles/Long Beach Area (CA)
National Capital Region (DC)
New York City/Northern New Jersey Area
• New York City Area
• Jersey City/Newark Area

When Atlanta makes this list; than you can start boasting. This list pretty much shows American's most important cities.
Well, in fairness these are all port cities except DC. Ports have been the subject of many a thwarted terrorist attack. I can see why they would recieve more funding.

Not arguing it either way, but I can see why those cities would recieve more funding that isnt related to importance.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Well, in fairness these are all port cities. Ports have been the subject of many a thwarted terrorist attack. I can see why they would recieve more funding.

Not arguing it either way, but I can see why those cities would recieve more funding that isnt related to importance.
Actually it has lots to do with importance and goes far beyond just the ports. The most targeted things in this country is the government, oil, pipelines,technology, and more. Ports is just parts of the reasons these cities have the most funding. You pay more to protect those things, why? Because they are the most valuable and most important things to this country.
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