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Old 10-08-2009, 10:48 PM
 
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If your arguing that Atlanta is an important city because they the 6th District The Federal Reserve Bank, I would agree with you, but as a reason to compete or surpass Dallas, San Francisco, or Boston's financial district is not going to fly. the 7th District is in Dallas, the 12th is in San Fran, the 3rd (I think) is in Boston.

As for Texas Medical Center is the largest medical center in the country. By 2010-2012, it will have more land area than downtown Dallas. Texas Medical Center is home to UT, Baylor, and Rice's medschool. I'm not sure about Rice, but UT and Baylor are constantly ranked in the top ten med schools in the nation and Baylor is usually in the top 5. I believe they are also the leading skin censer research center in the country.
I was aware of all that...but I'm also aware that those facts don't in any way diminish Atlanta's importance in the areas being discussed.

I never said that TMC was not a large and important medical center. I never said that the cities you listed aren't Federal Reserve District cities. All I did was respond to the questions.

Atlanta having a Federal Reserve Bank is not the only reason for it's importance as a financial/banking center...and I definitely believe that the city is competitive with the other cities in question.
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I was aware of all that...but I'm also aware that those facts don't in any way diminish Atlanta's importance in the areas being discussed.

I never said that TMC was not a large and important medical center. I never said that the cities you listed aren't Federal Reserve District cities. All I did was respond to the questions.

Atlanta having a Federal Reserve Bank is not the only reason for it's importance as a financial/banking center...and I definitely believe that the city is competitive with the other cities in question.
Cool. just as long as you know what your up against. I'm not pointing the finger at you, but in this Atlanta vs ____, people keep throwing facts about their town but know very little about city they are claiming to be "superior" too. But your one of the few people I've seen who's actually given a good argument for Atlanta.

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Old 10-08-2009, 11:14 PM
 
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Cool. just as long as you know what your up against. I'm not pointing the finger at you, but people in this Atlanta vs ____, people keep throwing facts about their town but know very little about city they are claiming to be "superior" too. But your one of the few people I've seen who's actually given a good argument for Atlanta.
Well, thank you. I'm not trying to boost my city, but I was just answering questions from other posters on specifics about Atlanta.
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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No one has made a good case for Atlanta or Dallas as qualifying in the top 5 or even top 6.
Yeh. you wish that was the case.I laid out more than enough facts,tables,links and quotes.Just because you and a couple of others "aint tryin to hear it" is your own fault.
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Are you talking about these:

Metro Atlanta:

http://gstudynet.org/gum/US2005ACS/Atlanta2005.htm

DFW:

http://gstudynet.org/gum/US2005ACS/Dallas2005.htm

Houston:

http://gstudynet.org/gum/US2005ACS/Houston2005.htm

Because if you are, Im still correct. Atlanta has a smaller Asian community than either MSA in Texas by percentage and numerically of the total population.
As I told you before,that is from 2005.the figures I gave you the link to are clearly from 2008.Atlanta foreign born Asian(international)population is growing at a much faster rate than Houston or Dallas).things change all the time.
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Old 10-09-2009, 03:34 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Here's a list that Montclair has posted previously on this site, so credit goes to him for it:

THE WORLD'S MOST WELL ROUNDED CITIES by GaWC released in 2004

Five levels of global city are identified. First, and clearly above all others, there are London and New York. All previous research has highlighted the dominance of these two cities in the world city hierarchy (Taylor 2004a) and they emerge here as the most important 'all-round' global contributors. They are followed by three cities that make smaller all-round contribution and with particular cultural strengths: Los Angeles, Paris and San Francisco. Finally, among 'all-rounders' there are seven incipient world cities identified in Table 11. In the second category of global niche cities, the three leading Pacific Asian cities are critical economic nodes in the world city network and there are also three critical nodes that are non-economic: Brussels, Geneva and Washington, DC. Thus a total of 18 cities are deemed to be global, actual or incipient.

The remaining world cities encompass articulator and niche cities. The former are focussed upon subnets and there are 13 distributed between the three non-economic spheres. Classic examples are Vienna at the centre of a UN agency subnet and Nairobi at the centre of a NGO subnet. There are 21niche world cities identified of which seven have important concentrations of economic activities and 14 concentrations of non-economic activities. Frankfurt is typical of the first group with its concentration of banks while Manila is typical of the second group with its concentration of NGOs.

These two sets of cities represent the upper echelons of the hierarchical tendencies in world city networks. To reiterate a point made in the introduction, they do not encompass all globalization processes, all cities

GLOBAL as so involved, but they are the key locales that network formation agents are using in their everyday activities that are creating world city networks. CITIES

Well rounded global
Very large contribution: London and New York Smaller contribution and with cultural bias: Los Angeles, Paris and San Francisco
ii Incipient global cities: Amsterdam, Boston, Chicago, Madrid, Milan, Moscow, Toronto

Global niche cities - specialised global contributions

i Economic: Hong Kong, Singapore, and Tokyo

ii Political and social: Brussels, Geneva, and Washington

WORLD CITIES

Subnet articulator cities

i Cultural: Berlin, Copenhagen, Melbourne, Munich, Oslo, Rome, Stockholm Political: Bangkok, Beijing, Vienna

ii Social: Manila, Nairobi, Ottawa

Worldwide leading cities

i Primarily economic global contributions: Frankfurt, Miami, Munich, Osaka, Singapore, Sydney, Zurich

ii Primarily non-economic global contributions: Abidjan, Addis Ababa, Atlanta, Basle, Barcelona, Cairo, Denver, Harare, Lyon, Manila, Mexico City, Mumbai, New Delhi, Shanghai

And here's Foreign Policy's 2008 Global City Index:

The rankings are based on the evaluation of 24 metrics in five areas: business activity, human capital, information exchange, cultural experience, and political engagement. The top thirty of the 60 cities ranked were:
RankCityBest category (position in that category)

1. New York City
2. London
3. Paris
4. Tokyo
5. Hong Kong
6. Los Angeles
7. Singapore
8. Chicago
9. Seoul
10. Toronto
11. Washington DC
12. Beijing
13. Brussels
14. Madrid
15. San Francisco
16. Sydney
17. Berlin
18. Vienna
19. Moscow
20. Shanghai
21. Frankfurt
22. Bangkok
23. Amsterdam
24. Stockholm
25. Mexico City
26. Zurich
27. Dubai
28. Istanbul
29. Boston
30. Rome

I think you could easily make a case that oil, energy, medical research, biotechnology, high tech, elite educational systems, and financial services prominence easily outweigh UPS, Coke, and CNN...not to mention San Francisco, Boston and Houston all have considerably larger economic power than Atlanta.

You mentioned that Atlanta has a Fed Bank? So does Boston and San Francisco. The CDC? Sounds pretty cool but I'm sure it's nothing compared to Longwood or Texas Medical Center. Plus Boston just completed one of the only labs in the country dedicated to researching defenses against biological warfare.

I don't deny that Atlanta isn't the capital of the South, but when you're surrounded by states like South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and North Carolina (all of which are fine in their own right) which don't have any major cities, it's easy to make the claim of "we're most important!!". The fact that cities like Boston and Philadelphia happen to be in arguably the most powerful corridor on the planet shouldn't take away from how important they are. Just like the fact that Chicago dominates the center of the country shouldn't take away from Houston's importance.

P.S. I'm absolutely puzzled that you listed 3 major highways passing through Atlanta as a reason for it being a transportation hub, and therefore increasing its importance. Hartsfield does increase Atlanta's importance...but highways definitely do not.
Yes Atlanta is a big fish in a small pond,but you failed to realize is that the "pond" is still filled with a lot of other smaller fish that are swim fast.
Raleigh Durham (The Research Triangle)
Charlotte-Still the second largest Banking Center in the U.S.(B.O.A.,BB&T)

Medical Research is strong in Atlanta and growing,but its not on the level of Boston .Closer with Houston.However its is significant.
You must not realize the scope of the CDC.(the only Federal Government Agency Headquartered out of D.C.)Its reach is Global.Its not just some office building.Its a campus of laboratories for top secret research,testing facilities,classrooms, conference workrooms for scientist and researchers from around the globe and of course offices too.
Just one of the hundreds of functions that the CDC has on its plate:
Quote:
CDC’s Office of Genomics and Disease Prevention, founded in 1997 to evaluate the public health implications of the Human Genome Project. Its mission has expanded to integrate the advances in human genetics into public health research, policy, and programs
.
Shepherd Spinal Center:
Quote:
Since 1982, Shepherd Center has been designated as a Model System of Care for spinal cord injury by the U.S. Department of Education’s National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR). The hospital is one of only 14 Model Systems in the country.


Where Atlanta is very important is techonlogy of wireless based services,internet connectivity,Hardware and Software application,and communications.Atlanta is a of the nations leaders in Technology related fields:
ATDC(Advanced Technology Development Center)
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More than 100 companies started there, including firms such as MindSpring (now part of EarthLink) and TransNexus.[3] Sponsored companies have created almost 51,000 man-years of employment, generated over $12.7 billion revenue, generated over $100 million in profit to Georgia, and raised over $1 billion in venture capital since 1999.[4] ATDC has been recognized by Inc. Magazine and Business Week as one of the nation's top incubators, and won several other awards



Atlanta leads the South in Technology Research and is also a major contribution to the world.With the Help of its universities like Georgia Tech.
Georgia Tech is leading the region in Tecnology research:
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U.S. News & World Report ranked Tech as the No. 7 public university, and No. 35 among all universities.[46] Tech also has the No. 4 undergraduate engineering program, and the No. 4 graduate engineering program.[46] Highly ranked engineering programs include its Schools of Industrial Engineering (1st), Biomedical (3rd), Mechanical (3rd), Aerospace (2nd), Electrical (4th), and Civil Engineering (4th) at the undergraduate level[46] and Industrial Engineering (1st), Biomedical (2nd), and Aerospace (2nd) at the graduate level.[47] In 2007, THE–QS World University Rankings ranked Georgia Tech as the No. 8 university in technology[48] and as No. 83 overall.


The Center for Robotics and Intelligent Machines (RIM@GT)
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is an interdisciplinary research unit at the Georgia Institute of Technology. The center was launched May, 2006, and consists of researchers from the School of Interactive Computing in the College of Computing, College of Engineering, and Georgia Tech Research Institute. RIM@GT currently offers a Ph.D. program in robotics, the first truly multi-disciplinary program in the country after the one of Carnegie Mellon University.


Also in Information Technology Atlanta is the center:

Equifax Inc. (NYSE: EFX) is a consumer credit reporting agency in the United States, considered one of the three largest American credit agencies along with Experian and TransUnion. Founded in 1899, Equifax is the oldest of the three agencies

First Data Corporation is an American payment processing company move to Atlanta from is former headquarters in Greenwood Village, Colorado. First Data is a provider of electronic commerce and payment solutions, and the company's chief rival is TSYS.(Headquartered in Columbus ,GA 80 miles away)

ChoicePoint, is a data aggregation company based in Alpharetta, near Atlanta, Georgia, United States, that acts as a private intelligence service to government and industry

Scientific Atlanta Inc, now a Cisco company, is a Georgia-based manufacturer of cable television, telecommunications, and broadband equipment. Scientific Atlanta was founded in 1951 by a group of engineers from the Georgia Institute of Technology.

AT&T Mobility LLC is the wholly owned wireless subsidiary of AT&T Inc. AT&T Mobility, headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia,[2] is the second-largest mobile phone company in the United States, in terms of number of subscribers, behind Verizon Wireless

Servigistics is a privately held software company that specializes in Service Lifecycle Management solutions and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia with offices in Chicago, Rochester, NY, Irvine, CA, Tokyo, the UK and India. The company was founded in 1999

American Megatrends Incorporated (AMI) is an American hardware and software company that specializes in PC hardware and firmware. It was founded in 1985 by Pat Sarma and S. Shankar. S. Shankar is currently the chairman and president.[1] It is headquartered in Norcross, Georgia, United States.[


Infosurv, Inc. is an online market research firm based in Atlanta, Georgia.

NCR Corporation (NYSE: NCR) is a technology company specializing in products for the retail, financial, travel, healthcare, food service, entertainment, gaming and public sector industries. Its main products are self-service kiosks, point-of-sale terminals, automated teller machines, check processing systems, barcode scanners, and business consumables. They also are one of the largest providers of IT maintenance support services.

EarthLink (NASDAQ: ELNK), is an Internet service provider (ISP) headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. It claims 5.4 million members (Atlanta-Duluth,GA)

Hannon Hill is a software development company located in Atlanta, Georgia. The company creates web marketing products including content management systems and social networking solutions. It was founded in 2001 by David Cummings (software entrepreneur). The company was named #247 on Inc. magazine's 2007 Inc. 500: The Fastest Growing Private Companies in America


EMS Technologies is an Atlanta-based company with approximately $290 million in annual sales revenue that specializes in wireless, defense, and space communications systems. Founded in 1968 by Dr. John E. Pippin(1928 – 2007), the company is located in the Gwinnett Technology Park and employs about 1,100 there and 1,900 internationally.[1] In 2007, EMS had its best financial results of its 40-year history, acquiring two companies- DSpace of Australia, and Akerstroms of Sweden, and earning a listing on Forbes Magazine's list of the 200 best small companies.

Fiserv- e-commerce and electronic payments processing

Visix, Inc. is a software development firm for visual communication applications, commonly referred to as “digital signage.” They are based in Norcross, Georgia, and have U.S. field offices in Boston, Philadelphia, Knoxville; and Portland, Oregon.

Cbeyond, headquartered just across the Chattahoochee River from Atlanta in Cobb County. Started with 15 people in 1999, it now has 1,700 employees in 13 markets across the country . What it provides is flexible packages of telecom services, including Internet-based local and long-distance phone service, e-mail, voice mail, secure data storage and backup and Web hosting .

The ONLY Commodity exchange in the Southern United States:
IntercontinentalExchange (NYSE: ICE) is an American financial company that operates Internet-based marketplaces which trade futures and over-the-counter (OTC) energy and commodity contracts as well as derivative financial products. While the company's original focus was energy products (crude and refined oil, natural gas, power, and emissions), recent acquisitions have expanded its activity into the "soft" commodities (sugar, cotton and coffee), foreign exchange and equity index futures
Atlanta also dominates in Agriculture fields:
AGCO Corporation (NYSE: AGCO) is an agricultural equipment manufacturer based in Duluth, Georgia.

Gold Kist was a large chicken producing company in the United States south. It was founded in 1933 by D.W. Brooks, a University of Georgia agronomy instructor as the Cotton Producers Association, a cooperative to help farmers in Carrollton, Georgia market cotton. It soon grew and diversified into fields such as fertilizer and retailing farm supplies


This is for 2008,NOT a 4 year old list.Atlanta has actually moved up considerably;
The GaWC's 2008 roster of leading Alpha, Beta and Gamma World Cities is reproduced below; see the source for the complete roster:[5][6]
Alpha World Cities ++:
New York City, London
Alpha World Cities +:
Hong Kong, Paris, Singapore, Sydney, Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing
Alpha World Cities:
Milan, Madrid, Seoul, Moscow, Brussels, Toronto, Mumbai, Buenos Aires, Kuala Lumpur
Alpha World Cities -:
Warsaw, Jakarta, Săo Paulo, Zurich, Mexico City, Dublin, Amsterdam, Bangkok, Taipei, Rome, Istanbul, Lisbon, Chicago, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Vienna, Budapest, Athens, Prague, Caracas, Auckland, Santiago
Beta World Cities +:
Melbourne, Barcelona, Los Angeles, Johannesburg, Manila, Bogota, New Delhi, Atlanta, Washington D.C., Tel Aviv, Bucharest, San Francisco, Helsinki, Berlin, Dubai, Oslo, Geneva, Riyadh, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Cairo
Beta World Cities:
Bangalore, Jeddah, Kuwait, Luxembourg, Munich, Kiev, Dallas, Lima, Boston, Miami
Beta World Cities -:
Sofia, Dusseldorf, Houston, Beirut, Guangzhou, Nicosia, Karachi, Montevideo, Rio De Janeiro, Nairobi, Bratislava, Montreal, Ho Chi Minh City
Gamma World Cities +:
Panama City, Casablanca, Chennai, Brisbane, Quito, Stuttgart, Denver, Vancouver, Zagreb, Guatemala City, Cape Town, San Jose, Ljubljana, Minneapolis, Santo Domingo, Seattle, Manama, Shenzhen
Gamma World Cities:
Guadalajara, Antwerp, Rotterdam, Lagos, Philadelphia, Perth, Amman, Manchester, Riga, Detroit, Guayaquil, Wellington, Portland
Gamma World Cities -:
Edinburgh, Porto, Tallinn, San Salvador, St. Petersburg, Port Louis, San Diego, Calgary, Almaty, Birmingham, Islamabad, Doha, Vilnius, Colombo

From one of my other post about the
Brookings Findings in response to the Global cities Report above:
Quote:
While New York, Chicago, and
Los Angeles are the U.S. leaders in
global connectivity, San Francisco,
Miami, Atlanta, and Washington are
also important nodes in the world
city network


Quote:
Strata III includes Miami, which
gives the city an elevated position
compared to how it is perceived within
a U.S. domestic urban hierarchy.
However, as “capital of Latin
America,” it fully warrants its relatively
high status in the world city network.29
The other cities in the strata are less
surprising but no less interesting: San
Francisco, Atlanta, and Washington
round out this third tier, due by and
large to their roles as western
gateway/financial center, media center
and unchallenged “capital” of the large
and fast growing South, and nation’s
capital, respectively.30


Quote:
This pattern is consistent
throughout the table: Barcelona and
Houston ranked 10th locally, but 32nd
and 62nd respectively globally;

In the levels of Higher Education,Atlanta also ranks highly.Outside of NYC,Boston,D.C., and Philly,Atlanta most definately competes with the best in the nation.Its ranks as the 5th largest in student enrollment and in educational attainment,it ranks not far behind Boston and San Francisco.
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Old 10-09-2009, 04:07 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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There's no question that Atlanta is the Southeast's most important city...but like I said before, a lesser city shouldn't be considered more important just because it's in a less significant region. Here's another ranking from 2008 which I listed before. I had actually posted your GaWC ranking on a previous thread and Montclair made some very good points as to why it wasn't legitimate. Until we can get his input, here's another global city ranking:

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index

1. New York City
6. Los Angeles
8. Chicago
11. Washington DC
15. San Francisco
29. Boston
32. Miami
37. Atlanta

Ok, just realized you had seen this ranking...but if you're going to raise this argument, how is one ranking more legitimate than the other?

Ignoring all rankings from the previously mentioned publications, the only advantage I've seen that Atlanta has over SF, Boston and Houston is transportation.

Let's see what advantages Houston, Boston, and San Francisco have over Atlanta:

Houston: Oil, Energy, Medical Services, much larger economy

San Francisco: High Tech, Financial Services, Biotechnology, much larger economy

Boston: Biotechnology, Healthcare, Financial Services, High Tech, Education, Consultancy/Business Management, much larger economy.

(obviously I'm a bit more familiar with Boston and can therefore point out our advantages moreso than Houston and San Francisco...however, I'm sure some SF and Hou forumers will be more than happy to fill in the blanks)

Other than being a transportation hub, what does Atlanta do that makes it stand out?

I am not denying that Atlanta is a Top 10 city. But is it as important as Boston, SF, or Hou? The answer is no.
Well How about another ranking:
The Mastercard Global Cities of Commerce 2008:
http://www.mastercard.com/us/company...eport_2008.pdf
Rank Globally
2.New York-1
5.Chicago-2
17.Los Angeles-3
18.Philadelphia-4
21.Boston-5
25.Atlanta-6
28.San Francisco-7
29.Miami-8
34.Houston-9
35.Dallas-10
36.Washington D.C.-11
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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As I told you before,that is from 2005.the figures I gave you the link to are clearly from 2008.Atlanta foreign born Asian(international)population is growing at a much faster rate than Houston or Dallas).things change all the time.
Clarify yourself. Are you claiming Atlanta's Asian population on a percentage or numerically is growing faster than Dallas or Houston? And what data are you talking about from 2008? I went through your posts and didnt see it. If I missed it, I appologize, but just point me to which post youre refering to.

Are you talking about post #552 where you subtracted each MSA's foreign born population and the broke them down into percentages and used that to claim there are more Asians in Atlanta vs. Dallas/Houston? I think thats an extremely flawed arguement.

By the way, you used the exact same links I posted to make your arguement on this very subject. So what is it? Data is only useful if it makes Atlanta look good in comparrision? It sure seems that way.

I would love to see you provide data that shows that the foreign born Asian population is growing faster in Atlanta NUMERICALLY.

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Old 10-09-2009, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Yeh. you wish that was the case.I laid out more than enough facts,tables,links and quotes.Just because you and a couple of others "aint tryin to hear it" is your own fault.
No we saw everything you've put; after all you've reposted the same thing over like 20 times. It still isn't racking up to the economic powerhouse that your trying to make ATL out to be.
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Old 10-09-2009, 07:51 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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No we saw everything you've put; after all you've reposted the same thing over like 20 times. It still isn't racking up to the economic powerhouse that your trying to make ATL out to be.
Well, compared to Houston and the Metroplex? He is supporting his argument by citing the work of a research institute. Plus, they all have similar-sized economies, metro populations, and growth. The three places look pretty comparable in influence and importance.
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