U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-29-2009, 10:38 AM
 
196 posts, read 388,362 times
Reputation: 57

Advertisements

1.New York City: Economic capital of the U.S. (possibly the world)

2.Washington D.C. : Political capital of the U.S.

3.Los Angeles: Second largest city in the U.S., big in entertainment and tourism

4.Chicago: Beautiful city, third largest in U.S., very clean and pleasant

5.Boston: One of the country's most historic cities, very cultural, and a mecca for higher education


Honorable mentions:

San Francisco
Houston
Dallas
Philadelphia

Last edited by MikeG2011; 12-29-2009 at 10:39 AM.. Reason: forgot an important city
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-29-2009, 10:50 AM
 
672 posts, read 1,552,565 times
Reputation: 496
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcroJimmy View Post
Considering everything from culture to economics...

1.) NYC (although I do feel like many trends originate on the West Coast and then make their way east...but come one, it's NYC)

2.) LA

3.) Washington D.C.

4.) San Francisco

5.) Chicago

Not surprisingly, these are 5 of the biggest metro areas in the country.
This is a perfect list which I will agree with.

We did not have to go through 90+ pages of mumbo to reach the same conclusion. lol
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-29-2009, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
7,412 posts, read 8,259,541 times
Reputation: 1802
Originally Posted by AcroJimmy
Considering everything from culture to economics...

1.) NYC (although I do feel like many trends originate on the West Coast and then make their way east...but come one, it's NYC)

2.) LA

3.) Washington D.C.

4.) San Francisco

5.) Chicago

Not surprisingly, these are 5 of the biggest metro areas in the country.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhymes with Best Coast View Post
This is a perfect list which I will agree with.

We did not have to go through 90+ pages of mumbo to reach the same conclusion. lol
I agree with the list & that the subject is well-done like a tough steak!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-29-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
2,685 posts, read 6,369,621 times
Reputation: 2356
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcroJimmy View Post
Considering everything from culture to economics...

1.) NYC (although I do feel like many trends originate on the West Coast and then make their way east...but come one, it's NYC)

2.) LA

3.) Washington D.C.

4.) San Francisco

5.) Chicago

Not surprisingly, these are 5 of the biggest metro areas in the country.

They also have the 5 largest GMP

2008 Combined Statistical Area Gross Product-Released 9/24/2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Okay, so there isnt data for Micro Areas, so here is a compilation of our Largest CSAs and the Miami MSA for 2008 released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis of the US Commerce Department 9-24-09.

Combined Statistical Areas by Total Gross Product, 2008

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080

3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336

5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340
It's weird because from this point of view, everyone is arguing for #1 or #2, but the real fight is to determine who is #3,#4, and #5. However, since the economy isn't the only metric this comparison is looking at, then other factors need to be considered. I like this one and population figures since its the ones that could be the most quantified, and it could definitely be ranked on a numerical scale. How do you rank culture? How do you rank influence, since influence could also include quantifiable things like money and population, and non-quantifiable things such as culture, technology, and having power over others (IE Washington DC)?

Everything else afterward is way too subjective for me, but that's the beauty of having forums like these
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: ☀ ѕυnѕнιne ѕтaтe ☀
1,417 posts, read 2,798,224 times
Reputation: 244
New York City
Los Angeles
Washington D.C.
Chicago
Atlanta
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2009, 02:17 AM
 
672 posts, read 1,552,565 times
Reputation: 496
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lifeshadower View Post
They also have the 5 largest GMP

2008 Combined Statistical Area Gross Product-Released 9/24/2009



It's weird because from this point of view, everyone is arguing for #1 or #2, but the real fight is to determine who is #3,#4, and #5. However, since the economy isn't the only metric this comparison is looking at, then other factors need to be considered. I like this one and population figures since its the ones that could be the most quantified, and it could definitely be ranked on a numerical scale. How do you rank culture? How do you rank influence, since influence could also include quantifiable things like money and population, and non-quantifiable things such as culture, technology, and having power over others (IE Washington DC)?

Everything else afterward is way too subjective for me, but that's the beauty of having forums like these
For those trying to sneak in an Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Dallas, or Philadelphia into the top 5, you are mistaken, because if you look at the data, there is a huge gap between #5 and #6, almost $100 Billion. To help wrap your head around this, it is the equivalent of a million people producing an output of of $100,000 each or 2 million people producing $50,000 each. It's huge, so to think any of the above-mentioned cities can leapfrog into the top 5 is misguided.

Top 5 is pretty much set in stone - IMO.

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080

3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336

5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340

6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406

7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $403.202 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $403,202

8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $383.082 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $379,863
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,219

9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $276.197 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $269,799
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,398
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2009, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
15,989 posts, read 30,724,774 times
Reputation: 7282
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhymes with Best Coast View Post
For those trying to sneak in an Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Dallas, or Philadelphia into the top 5, you are mistaken, because if you look at the data, there is a huge gap between #5 and #6, almost $100 Billion. To help wrap your head around this, it is the equivalent of a million people producing an output of of $100,000 each or 2 million people producing $50,000 each. It's huge, so to think any of the above-mentioned cities can leapfrog into the top 5 is misguided.

Top 5 is pretty much set in stone - IMO.

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080

3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336

5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340

6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406

7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $403.202 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $403,202

8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $383.082 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $379,863
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,219

9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $276.197 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $269,799
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,398
GDP is important, but Houston and Boston are both easily top 5 material; Oil, Ports, Education, Technology and more. Don't act like places like SF and CHI are insanely more important than Houston or Boston because they're not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2009, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
4,909 posts, read 12,542,170 times
Reputation: 2631
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhymes with Best Coast View Post
For those trying to sneak in an Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Dallas, or Philadelphia into the top 5, you are mistaken, because if you look at the data, there is a huge gap between #5 and #6, almost $100 Billion. To help wrap your head around this, it is the equivalent of a million people producing an output of of $100,000 each or 2 million people producing $50,000 each. It's huge, so to think any of the above-mentioned cities can leapfrog into the top 5 is misguided.

Top 5 is pretty much set in stone - IMO.
This simplistic argument is trifling and flawed. Wash-Bal are two combined metroes. Boston-Providence are 2 seperate metroes. Sf-SJ are 2 combined metropolitan statistical areas. Sorry guys as much as it pains you Philly is still top 5 when its all said and done.If you are combining seperate metroes elsewhere at least give Philly its micro areas(Allentown,Trenton,Atlantic City,Dover) that evens the playing field somewhat.

The stats you are presenting for these supersized cmsa's cover areas up to 15,000 sq miles. Philadelphia msa is only 4000 sq miles.

Thats not really fair now. Is it?

If anything use MSA data as your guide.Continuous population density of 2500 people per sq mile.

Lets try and keep it fair gang. Fredericksburg Va and Havre de Grace Md are about 150 miles apart yet according to your rationale are part of the same cohesive metro. If Philadlephia were given similar leeway it would be the 3rd biggest metro in the country behind NYC + LA.

City Mayors: Richest cities in the world in 2005 and 2020 by GDP

Richest cities and urban areas in 2005
Rank City/Urban area Country GDP in US$bn

1 Tokyo Japan 1191
2 New York USA 1133
3 Los Angeles USA 639
4 Chicago USA 460
5 Paris France 460
6 London UK 452
7 Osaka/Kobe Japan 341
8 Mexico City Mexico 315
9 Philadelphia USA 312
10 Washington DC USA 299
11 Boston USA 290
12 Dallas/Fort Worth USA 268
13 Buenos Aires Argentina 245
14 Hong Kong China 244
15 San Francisco/Oakland USA 242
16 Atlanta USA 236
17 Houston USA 235
18 Miami USA 231
19 Sao Paulo Brazil 225
20 Seoul South Korea 218
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2009, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
15,989 posts, read 30,724,774 times
Reputation: 7282
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainrock View Post
This simplistic argument is trifling and flawed. Wash-Bal are two combined metroes. Boston-Providence are 2 seperate metroes. Sf-SJ are 2 combined metropolitan statistical areas. Sorry guys as much as it pains you Philly is still top 5 when its all said and done.If you are combining seperate metroes elsewhere at least give Philly its micro areas(Allentown,Trenton,Atlantic City,Dover) that evens the playing field somewhat.

The stats you are presenting for these supersized cmsa's cover areas up to 15,000 sq miles. Philadelphia msa is only 4000 sq miles.

Thats not really fair now. Is it?

If anything use MSA data as your guide.Continuous population density of 2500 people per sq mile.

Lets try and keep it fair gang. Fredericksburg Va and Havre de Grace Md are about 150 miles apart yet according to your rationale are part of the same cohesive metro. If Philadlephia were given similar leeway it would be the 3rd biggest metro in the country behind NYC + LA.

City Mayors: Richest cities in the world in 2005 and 2020 by GDP

Richest cities and urban areas in 2005
Rank City/Urban area Country GDP in US$bn

1 Tokyo Japan 1191
2 New York USA 1133
3 Los Angeles USA 639
4 Chicago USA 460
5 Paris France 460
6 London UK 452
7 Osaka/Kobe Japan 341
8 Mexico City Mexico 315
9 Philadelphia USA 312
10 Washington DC USA 299
11 Boston USA 290
12 Dallas/Fort Worth USA 268
13 Buenos Aires Argentina 245
14 Hong Kong China 244
15 San Francisco/Oakland USA 242
16 Atlanta USA 236
17 Houston USA 235
18 Miami USA 231
19 Sao Paulo Brazil 225
20 Seoul South Korea 218
The only thing you keep saying is Philly is important, but yet you haven't proved your case. Why is Philly important??? numbers only mean so much.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
2,685 posts, read 6,369,621 times
Reputation: 2356
Quote:
Originally Posted by jluke65780 View Post
GDP is important, but Houston and Boston are both easily top 5 material; Oil, Ports, Education, Technology and more. Don't act like places like SF and CHI are insanely more important than Houston or Boston because they're not.
So what metric are we using then if GDP isn't valid enough? Numbers rarely lie since these statistics were put together by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), and they have very little reason to favor one area over another.

Houston and Boston could be top 5 material, and I honestly hope they become so because the US needs to be a bit more polycentric. However, at this point, the objective indicators don't indicate it to be so (population + GMP + per capita income). You're also assuming that SF and CHI aren't top 5 material by saying Boston and Houston are.

SF CSA has both technology (Silicon Valley:Silicon Valley and N.Y. still ride high in 'Cybercities' rankings - MarketWatch) and education (Berkeley and Stanford have Top 10 programs in almost EVERY SINGLE graduate school category | Best Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report). Chicago is the 3rd largest CSA in the country, a major manufacturing center, and a major shipping center.

Unless you SOMEHOW think that Silicon Valley, Berkeley/Stanford, having a large population, and being a large shipping center isn't important, then I don't know what to say.

Even on ports: Port Industry Statistics - Port Industry Information - AAPA

2 Port of Houston, Texas 202,047,327
It's a major port center because of its strategic location on the Gulf Coast and as a major oil refinery center, but if you notice how the rankings are laid out, most of the top ports are along the Gulf Coast. Houston's ranking as a port isn't as hegemonic as you would like to think it is, as much as SF is to technology, or Boston is to education.

When making claims, substantiate them!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top