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Old 04-09-2010, 08:13 PM
 
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In polls blacks do tend to be "liberal" or "progressive" on economic issues and the death penalty. Is the liberalism or conservatism you mean more about social issues?
Most blacks in those cities aren't as socially liberal as whites in other cities.
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Old 04-10-2010, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Most blacks in those cities aren't as socially liberal as whites in other cities.
That is certainly true in California. When prop 8 was passed many Democrats were dumbfounded that other Democrats would oppose gay marriage. I believe the majority of Blacks voted against gay marriage even in Los Angeles though they always vote Democratic. Same thing with Latinos who tend to follow Catholic teaching more than others but are die-hard Democrats. It was the Anglos who supported gay marriage by over 70%. White folks in many other cities are the conservatives.
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Old 04-10-2010, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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That is certainly true in California. When prop 8 was passed many Democrats were dumbfounded that other Democrats would oppose gay marriage. I believe the majority of Blacks voted against gay marriage even in Los Angeles though they always vote Democratic. Same thing with Latinos who tend to follow Catholic teaching more than others but are die-hard Democrats. It was the Anglos who supported gay marriage by over 70%. White folks in many other cities are the conservatives.
Prop 8 stunned alot of people. Los Angeles country split 50/50. African-Americans voted overwhelmingly to ban gay marriage.

Just another way a place can vote democratic, but be conservative.
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Old 04-10-2010, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Prop 8 stunned alot of people. Los Angeles country split 50/50. African-Americans voted overwhelmingly to ban gay marriage.

Just another way a place can vote democratic, but be conservative.
It is also a good sign that people can disagree on some issues yet be in the same political party. Republicans need to broaden there base & start tolerating gays & ethnic types or continue to lose elections.
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Old 04-10-2010, 01:43 AM
 
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Prop 8 stunned alot of people. Los Angeles country split 50/50. African-Americans voted overwhelmingly to ban gay marriage.

Just another way a place can vote democratic, but be conservative.
Exactly, that's why when I saw that Liberal cities list with cities like Detroit, Buffalo, etc, I was like hmmm, I don't know about that.
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Old 04-10-2010, 02:16 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Most blacks in those cities aren't as socially liberal as whites in other cities.
So you are listing liberal/conservative as a social issues thing. Not saying I disagree, but this isn't necessarily how politics work in the US. If a politician favored nationalizing all telephone companies, mines, oil wells, and banks while also wanting taxes on the rich to be as high as in Sweden... Well I'm not sure that politician would be deemed "conservative" even if they also opposed embryonic stem-cell research and gay marriage. Although maybe they would, but if so that's kind of weird.

(I got most of the economic Left list from the 1912 Socialist Platform. Sometimes what's Left in the past is still to the Left in the present)
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Mile high city
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It really helps to read posts before you reply. I agree that the city of Denver is liberal, just like the city of Dallas. But I spent the time writing that long post to explain that that really doesn't matter until you figure in the suburban counties for a city. And, again, throwing out 2008 numbers doesn't really matter when you're looking at a completely anomalous election. Do you really think that Obama would win Colorado if the election were right now? His approval numbers are at 42% in the state and 56% of Coloradans want to repeal Obama's health care reform. Not exactly a left-wing theme park, is it?


And, yes, the city of Denver is 500,000 people. The metro area is close to 3,000,000 (including Boulder County; it's 2.6 million without Boulder County). That's 1/6, not 1/4.
Denver had a city population of 554k in 2000....

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/08/0820000.html

As of today...

“The United States Census Bureau estimated that the population of Denver was 610,345 in 2009[9], making it the 24th most populous U.S. city.[4] The 10-county Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area had an estimated 2009 population of 2,552,195 “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver

This comes out to roughly 1/4 but hey even in your perfect world where Denver is not part of its metro the 08' totals would still have Obama ahead


Also, Including Boulder into Denver is a CSA not an MSA. And to include Boulder would only make the Denver metro more liberal so I have no idea what you think this proves

As far as this anomaly you speak of. Sorry, Denver metro has an extremely low AA population so where is this anomaly with all the white folks? Why is it that an admitted leftist candidate easily beat out a moderate republican by so much?

And if an anomaly occurred how does it explain such large democrat voting totals? Such totals aren’t even remotely within the margin of error 3-5 points.

The fact is the state went for a democrat by 54% and the metro even more. These numbers are outside any excsue you can make for voting tallies.

As NOLA said you fail to take into account the changing demographics of Colorado. Lots of Californians moving in, more Hispanics. The Denver city become an minority majority in 2008.



Oh yeah did I mention that the Denver metro went for Kerry in 2004? What was the anomaly then? Kerry made great speeches, right?

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Old 04-10-2010, 04:31 AM
 
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So you are listing liberal/conservative as a social issues thing. Not saying I disagree, but this isn't necessarily how politics work in the US. If a politician favored nationalizing all telephone companies, mines, oil wells, and banks while also wanting taxes on the rich to be as high as in Sweden... Well I'm not sure that politician would be deemed "conservative" even if they also opposed embryonic stem-cell research and gay marriage. Although maybe they would, but if so that's kind of weird.

(I got most of the economic Left list from the 1912 Socialist Platform. Sometimes what's Left in the past is still to the Left in the present)
For the most part I am listing liberal/conservative as a Social issue thing(for this subject), that politician you're talking about would be deemed SOCIALLY Conservative, and fiscally Liberal.
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:33 AM
 
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Denver NEVER strikes me as Conservative.
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Old 04-10-2010, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Mile high city
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Oops I made an error in my intital calculation for Denver metro's voting numbers.

I added Boulder by accident, which gave 65% for the democrat.

Without Boulder the metro is at 59%.

Without Denver or Boulder in the Denver metro voting tally the Democrat canidate still gets 53% of the vote

So even in another possible world where the denver metro does not include Denver city it still does not go for John McCain

The only possible worlds where Gloriadei's belief that the Denver metro is conservative is true involves excluding both Denver county and the second largest county Arapahoe. And we all know these worlds are not real.

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