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Old 04-27-2009, 05:58 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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Inside is pretty modern too...



It's not a bad thing, but it's kind of strange. Must be a West Coast thing
LOL[/quote]

Thanks for the photos of the Oakland cathedral, Montclair I haven't seen the new cathedral & wondered what it looked like. BTW, are you allowed to show the inside of a Mormon temple? If so, could you post those photos. Thanks.
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:09 PM
 
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Generally Catholic church buildings are the largest structures in most areas. There may be a mega-church Protestant denomination around that is as large as a cathedral but most Protestant churches are smaller. I know multiple masses put real pressure on the clergy but many of the services are in different languages also. I don't think Protestants offer services in other languages besides Spanish compared to Catholics.

Plus for Catholics, taking communion is important & can take a while whereas many Protestants don't have holy communion very often so people just stay in their seats.
Yes, generally the Catholic church buildings are bigger, but the largest church buildings are almost always Protestant churches. Catholics don't build 5,000+ seat sanctuaries like Protestants do. That's not to say that Catholic churches don't have as many members, they just don't build big churches.
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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Yes, generally the Catholic church buildings are bigger, but the largest church buildings are almost always Protestant churches. Catholics don't build 5,000+ seat sanctuaries like Protestants do. That's not to say that Catholic churches don't have as many members, they just don't build big churches.
That must be a more regional thing since in California, normally the Catholic churches are the largest. There are a few mega-churches in Los Angeles that are Black Baptist but probably no bigger than the cathedral.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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That must be a more regional thing since in California, normally the Catholic churches are the largest. There are a few mega-churches in Los Angeles that are Black Baptist but probably no bigger than the cathedral.
Yeah I guess. The largest Catholic sanctuary here seats 1,500, while the largest Protestant sanctuary (Bellevue Baptist) seats 7,000. Although, the few times I went, it was not even half full.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:13 PM
 
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Thanks for the photos of the Oakland cathedral, Montclair I haven't seen the new cathedral & wondered what it looked like. BTW, are you allowed to show the inside of a Mormon temple? If so, could you post those photos. Thanks.[/quote]

They only have pictures of the inside of Mormon temples from before they were dedicated. After that, only Mormons can see the inside, but not every Mormon.

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That must be a more regional thing since in California, normally the Catholic churches are the largest. There are a few mega-churches in Los Angeles that are Black Baptist but probably no bigger than the cathedral.
What about Saddleback Church or whatever it's called? Isn't it the 3rd largest church in the country?
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Old 04-29-2009, 05:11 PM
 
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The St. Louis Arch Diocese recently released #s stating St. Louis was 22% Catholic, and that the number 22% was the same as the percentage of Catholics Nationally. Most of these are white. As St. Louis' small Latino population inevitably rises sooner than later, this number will increase.(Chicago has a huge Hispanic/Latino population, Milwaukee's is minimum 15% or more if you count illegals, etc..and St. Louis' will increase in the near future by a lot) If St. Louis increases its East Asian population from its current miniscule numbers, there would be some increase there as well.

The rest of MO btw is much less Catholic, which explains map colors shown in this thread. There has been a huge growth in Evangelical Churches in other parts of the state of MO, particularly Southwest, in recent years.
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Old 04-29-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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The St. Louis Arch Diocese recently released #s stating St. Louis was 22% Catholic, and that the number 22% was the same as the percentage of Catholics Nationally. Most of these are white. As St. Louis' small Latino population inevitably rises sooner than later, this number will increase.(Chicago has a huge Hispanic/Latino population, Milwaukee's is minimum 15% or more if you count illegals, etc..and St. Louis' will increase in the near future by a lot) If St. Louis increases its East Asian population from its current miniscule numbers, there would be some increase there as well.

The rest of MO btw is much less Catholic, which explains map colors shown in this thread. There has been a huge growth in Evangelical Churches in other parts of the state of MO, particularly Southwest, in recent years.
St. Louis seems like the Catholic version of a Bible Belt city. It seems to have as much Catholic influence on it as the Southern Baptists have on Memphis. The influence is much less now than what it used to be (in both cities, im sure), but there's still influence none the less.

Here's some numbers from 2000 that we can compare:
Shelby County (Memphis)- 17% Southern Baptist. 10% loss since 1990.
*Black Baptists were not included, but i'd say they're another 20% of the population.
St. Louis city- 20% Catholic. 22% loss since 1990.
St. Louis county- 30% Catholic. 5% loss since 1990.

Im sure white-flight plays a large role in the losses for both cities. Interesting to note that the number and percentage of Catholics in Shelby county is comparable to the number and percentage of Southern Baptists in St. Louis county.

Just wondering, how are the Catholic churches in St. Louis, are they well-attended? Do most Catholics attend mass regularly?
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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...from Europe in the late 19-early 20th centuries, especially Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Louis, and to a lesser extent Minneapolis (besides the Protestant Scandinavians and roughly one-half of the German population). These are the cities to which hundreds of thousands of Irish, Italian, Polish, other Slavic groups, and many Germans immigrated to. Today, of course, you can add the millions of immigrants of Spanish heritage, and now many large metro areas in the Southwest can be added as well.
RE: the twin cities: St. Paul, very Catholic (original settlers were French, biggest groups of Euro immigrants were Irish & German). Minneapolis, not so much (original settlers were protestant New Englanders, biggest group of Euro settlers were Scandanavians.
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:47 PM
 
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was German. The majority of Germans are Lutherans.
Yes, Luther was German, but are you sure the majority of Germans are Lutherans? What is your source? Are you talking about Germany or German Americans? If either one is a Lutheran majority, I'd guess it would be a very slim one.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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Yes, Luther was German, but are you sure the majority of Germans are Lutherans? What is your source? Are you talking about Germany or German Americans? If either one is a Lutheran majority, I'd guess it would be a very slim one.
In Germany most people are probably non-religious, but here's what people claim:
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Religions: Protestant 34%, Roman Catholic 34%, Muslim 3.7%, unaffiliated or other 28.3%
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...gm.html#People

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Most German immigrants were Protestants, with Lutheranism by far the most denomination; perhaps a third of German immigrants were Catholics, and around 250,000 were Jewish.
Immigration: The Germans

So there is a significant German-American Catholic population. They are probably the second largest European Catholic group in America after the Irish.
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