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View Poll Results: Which cities have the worst car traffic??
Los Angeles 94 58.39%
New York City 59 36.65%
Atlanta 48 29.81%
Washington, D.C. 54 33.54%
San Francisco 18 11.18%
Houston 30 18.63%
Miami 18 11.18%
Dallas 18 11.18%
Boston 11 6.83%
Detroit 5 3.11%
San Diego 3 1.86%
Other 20 12.42%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 161. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-26-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago - mudhole in the prairie...
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Driving ineptitude? There are bad drivers all over the country. Chicago is nothing special in that regard. People complain the same about Phoenix, Orlando, NYC..etc. I am more talking about time spent in traffic, not people's driving skills. But on that note, NYC's drivers are far more aggressive, particularly in Manhattan.

No. It is special and it has nothing to do with being aggressive. I used to drive a cab in New York, I am not sure if I even know how to drive in a non-agressive way. I am talking about Chicago drivers who are constantly on the phone, do not use blinkers to signal turns and lane changes and do not follow a general rule of "keep up with the traffic". Bad Chicago drivers further clog the roads and highways while Chicago police does nothing to enforce the laws and control the flow. Driving in Chicago is a nightmare and I observe a big change once you get away about 100 miles from the city: both the folks in Wisconsin and Ohio have better driving skills than most Chicagoans. Another thing that affects driving in Chicago is the terrible state of most streets and highways: I have never seen so many huge potholes. City simply can't and is not willing to keep up with fixing them. Again, based on my experience I'll take New York traffic over Chicago's any time of the day.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: State College,PA
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No. It is special and it has nothing to do with being aggressive. I used to drive a cab in New York, I am not sure if I even know how to drive in a non-agressive way. I am talking about Chicago drivers who are constantly on the phone, do not use blinkers to signal turns and lane changes and do not follow a general rule of "keep up with the traffic". Bad Chicago drivers further clog the roads and highways while Chicago police does nothing to enforce the laws and control the flow. Driving in Chicago is a nightmare and I observe a big change once you get away about 100 miles from the city: both the folks in Wisconsin and Ohio have better driving skills than most Chicagoans. Another thing that affects driving in Chicago is the terrible state of most streets and highways: I have never seen so many huge potholes. City simply can't and is not willing to keep up with fixing them. Again, based on my experience I'll take New York traffic over Chicago's any time of the day.
I am sorry but every time someone talks about how bad this U.S. city's drivers are or that U.S. city's drivers are, I get the strong urge to tell them to try their hand at driving in a third world country.. then get back to me.

Driving is so orderly here that although some drive too slow or have trouble remembering to flick on their blinkers, the way the laws work here means that things still flow in a relatively organized and safe fashion. There are stupid drivers everywhere, and IMHO, no city in the US can lay claim to having a disproportionately large amount of bad drivers over any other US city, but it really isn't that bad either. I drove plenty in Chicago and I found it to be no different from what I experienced in Orlando, Phoenix, Boston, Miami, NYC or many other locations throughout the country. All those driving problems you mention (and others) are true almost everywhere I went to in the United States.
As for potholes..Being a former cab driver, you should know there's tons of them in Manhattan!

The "bad driving" here is paradise compared to what is found in other nations. The drivers here are actually pretty darn good. I have no complaints in that regard.

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Old 04-26-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Bellaire...Texas
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Traffic in Chicago

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Traffic in L.A

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Traffic in N.Y.C

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Traffic in Houston

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Hey, we complain about traffic, look at Shanghai.


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Old 04-26-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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Traffic in Chicago

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Traffic in L.A

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Traffic in N.Y.C

by ashleybandfieldonline

Traffic in Houston

by mjmcomputers



Hey, we complain about traffic, look at Shanghai.


by Groenkenfylker
Shanghai has a population of almost 20 million. I have been there before, and boy, it was even worse than New York City and Tokyo COMBINED (Tokyo traffic was surprisingly smooth). The Shanghai traffic on that video is nothing.

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Old 04-26-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The "bad driving" here is paradise compared to what is found in other nations. The drivers here are actually pretty darn good. I have no complaints in that regard.
Dementor is right though. I used to live in Milwaukee and everyone always joked about how bad Illinois(especially Chicago) drivers are. I have driven(well had private drivers) in other countries though. I've been all over China. I was even in a car accident on one of China's freeways. If even the New Yorkers are saying it isn't that bad, then it isn't that bad. They usually need to win at everything so I don't see why they would lie. Also, Manhattan is a small part of NYC. LA, DC, and Chicago have bad traffic EVERYWHERE. DC and Chicago also have a lot of people use public transit(especially DC) so you can't really use that excuse with NYC.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago - mudhole in the prairie...
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I am sorry but every time someone talks about how bad this U.S. city's drivers are or that U.S. city's drivers are, I get the strong urge to tell them to try their hand at driving in a third world country.. then get back to me.
Why would you compare the US to the third world? Is being better than third world is a reason to gloat? I can't believe someone can even come up with such a dumb statement...


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The "bad driving" here is paradise compared to what is found in other nations. The drivers here are actually pretty darn good. I have no complaints in that regard.
Then you haven't seen much. I suggest you spend some time driving in Europe. By the way, potholes in New York are nothing like potholes in Chicago. I pronounce the stretch of Lawrence Ave in Chicago between Cumberland and Des Plains River Road the worst road in the civilized world.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:38 PM
 
Location: State College,PA
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Shanghai has a population of 16 million. I have been there before, and boy, it was even worse than New York City and Tokyo COMBINED (Tokyo traffic was surprisingly smooth).
Although NYC's traffic is the worst in the United States, It would be inaccurate to say it's the worst in the world. At least, relative to other cities around the planet, we have decent city planning/infrastructure, and mass transportation.

The worst traffic in the world would likely belong to a densely populated city (like NYC) that's growing faster than its infrastructure can support, has poor city planning/development, poor transportation, and is wealthy enough to have many car owners.. Places like Manila, Jakarta, and Bangkok may fit the bill... although Shanghai looks pretty bad here too.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago - mudhole in the prairie...
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Dementor is right though. I used to live in Milwaukee and everyone always joked about how bad Illinois(especially Chicago) drivers are. .
That's what I mean. When you drive from Chicago to New York and as soon as you hit Ohio (northern Indiana is as bad as Chicago) you find people using the right lane if they drive slower than others and using blinkers to signal lane changes. It's like night and day. In Chicago the general rule is "I own this road and do not care about anybody else".
It has nothing to do with agressiveness but disregard not only for the laws but common sense. Although the City of Chicago has a ban on cell phone use while driving almost every Chicagoan feels compelled to call someome as soon as they get behind the wheel.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: State College,PA
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Why would you compare the US to the third world? Is being better than third world is a reason to gloat? I can't believe someone can even come up with such a dumb statement...
No... but it puts into perspective that people over-exaggerate about our drivers being so bad when they are not.


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Then you haven't seen much. I suggest you spend some time driving in Europe.
I have one better for you. Try driving in latin america.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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Although NYC's traffic is the worst in the United States, It would be inaccurate to say it's the worst in the world. At least, relative to other cities around the planet, we have decent city planning/infrastructure, and mass transportation.

The worst traffic in the world would likely belong to a densely populated city (like NYC) that's growing faster than its infrastructure can support, has poor city planning/development, poor transportation, and is wealthy enough to have many car owners.. Places like Manila, Jakarta, and Bangkok may fit the bill... although Shanghai looks pretty bad here too.
True. I'd also add Mumbai and Dubai to the list. Mexico City is pretty bad too.
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