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Big L (who made like one album and was killed)from New York and guys like Common are better than pretty much than anything the bay has put out in 20 years. The bays wack hyphy movement died down once bay rappers realized the rest of the country was laughing at them.
lol so true. "go dumb" haha. the STUPIDEST crap EVER.
I agree rappers should not be considered much, if at all, in this comparison, especially seeing as not everyone likes hip hop (obviously....maybe we should compare tuvan throat singers on each coast next?). But i have to address some ignorance:
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Originally Posted by LakeShoreSoxGo
West coasters tend to not be big on hip hop history. After all west coast hip hop was not on the map until TuPac moved out there.
Rap was around in the Bay Area before tupac, and lots of local rappers came up at the same time that tupac did. Some examples, with the year of their first albums listed:
Too Short - 1985
MC Hammer - 1987
415 - 1988
The Dangerous Crew - 1988
Ill Mannered Playas - 1989
Hugh EMC - 1989
Paris - 1989
51.50 - 1990 (these guys lived in Marin City with Tupac and were friends with him)
Digital Underground - 1990 (the first group Tupac was in)
Total Devastation - 1990
Rappin 4-Tay - 1991
San Quinn - 1991
E-40 - 1991 Tupac - 1991
RBL Posse - 1992
Cold World Hustlers - 1992
JT the Bigga Figga - 1992
Andre Nickatina - 1993
Mac Mall - 1993
The Coup - 1993
And the list of 90's rappers goes on... that's a small sample. You've never heard of most of them because most Bay Area rappers are/were independent, and LA has always had the most attention in the first place, since it's CA's biggest city, not to mention all the attention because of NWA, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Cypress Hill, Snoop Dogg, Tupac (after he moved there) , Ice-T, etc, etc, who had lots of exposure because they were on major labels.
As for tupac, all you have to do is listen to his rapping style to see that he was influenced by Bay Area rappers who came before him/at the same time as him (and lots of Bay Rappers were in turn influenced by him, same as many other rappers throughout the country). Tupac had lots of respect for the Bay Area, for obvious reasons.
And you claim us west coast dudes are the ones who need a history lesson?
For the record, most of us over here on the west coast have respect the east coast because 1. it's where hip-hop originated, and 2. it's created a lot of really good rappers. It's too bad there seems to be so many hip hop elitists over there. We have them here too, but not to the same extent it seems. You actually have big name rappers like Joell Ortiz hating on the west coast in his songs (and over sunglasses and shoes, no less, LOL), meanwhile most of us could care less what lame haters think, and actually show respect where it's due, whether it's east, west, south, midwest, UK, denmark, who cares.
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Originally Posted by nephi215
Yeah most of the bay rappers suck. Rappers like keak da sneak and lil b make soulja boy seem lyrical lol.
This is proof you're not familar with bay rap. All that hyphy stuff was only big in the mid 2000's, and is only one (relatively new) style of rap from the bay area in the first place. Also, Lil B is a pretty good rapper, but you have to listen to his good/serious songs. He makes a lot of really stupid songs just to get attention/have fun, and his good stuff is less well known, so i do understand why many people have a bad opinion of him.
edit: also, there was once a time when your average person could actually understand what Keak the Sneak was saying lol...it was before the Hyphy era.
the first three pictures aren't in the usa, they're close to maine, but this is more to debunk this myth on the west coast that there's no coastline on the "east coast." in fact, the east has plenty of surprising natural beauty. and the first few pictures you see are right near maine, a lot of fishermen go fishing around these places from maine up and do business around these places pictured below.
just a quick boat ride from maine
Nova Scotia Coast | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masmiguel/4432613093/ - broken link)
^Amazing pictures (one of them is west coast though)
There is amazing beauty on the East Coast, but in my opinion the West takes that category due to more extremes/variation in the topography and climate. The west has the highest and lowest points in the US, deserts, rugged coast lines, Mediterranean climates, alpine climates, temperate rainforests, the largest alpine lake in North America (lake Tahoe), two salt water lakes (mono lake, salton sea), some of the snowiest (sierras and the rockies if you include them as "West") and wettest (parts of the northwest) parts and the dryest and hottest part of North America (Death Valley), forests full of the tallest, oldest, and largest trees/living things on earth (redwoods, giant sequoias, bristlecone pines), nice beaches, palm trees, hot springs and geysers, cactuses, oak forests, pine forests, glaciers, chaparral, bays, rivers, lakes, volcanoes, etc, etc.
The east coast does have south Florida's tropical climate though, and the west has nothing that can compare to that.
^Amazing pictures (one of them is west coast though)
There is amazing beauty on the East Coast, but in my opinion the West takes that category due to more extremes/variation in the topography and climate. The west has the highest and lowest points in the US, deserts, rugged coast lines, Mediterranean climates, alpine climates, temperate rainforests, the largest alpine lake in North America (lake Tahoe), two salt water lakes (mono lake, salton sea), some of the snowiest (sierras and the rockies if you include them as "West") and wettest (parts of the northwest) parts and the dryest and hottest part of North America (Death Valley), forests full of the tallest, oldest, and largest trees/living things on earth (redwoods, giant sequoias, bristlecone pines), nice beaches, palm trees, hot springs and geysers, cactuses, oak forests, pine forests, glaciers, chaparral, bays, rivers, lakes, volcanoes, etc, etc.
The east coast does have south Florida's tropical climate though, and the west has nothing that can compare to that.
nah, the 3rd picture, the one that said vancouver, was just the name of the link but i fixed it. when you clicked the link, it had pictures of all around canada. that's actually a picture of nova scotia's cabot trail.
you're right though. the west definitely has more magnificent scenery, i'm just trying to show that the east can still boast some beauty.
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I agree rappers should not be considered much, if at all, in this comparison, especially seeing as not everyone likes hip hop (obviously....maybe we should compare tuvan throat singers on each coast next?). But i have to address some ignorance:
Rap was around in the Bay Area before tupac, and lots of local rappers came up at the same time that tupac did. Some examples, with the year of their first albums listed:
Too Short - 1985
MC Hammer - 1987
415 - 1988
The Dangerous Crew - 1988
Ill Mannered Playas - 1989
Hugh EMC - 1989
Paris - 1989
51.50 - 1990 (these guys lived in Marin City with Tupac and were friends with him)
Digital Underground - 1990 (the first group Tupac was in)
Total Devastation - 1990
Rappin 4-Tay - 1991
San Quinn - 1991
E-40 - 1991 Tupac - 1991
RBL Posse - 1992
Cold World Hustlers - 1992
JT the Bigga Figga - 1992
Andre Nickatina - 1993
Mac Mall - 1993
The Coup - 1993
And the list of 90's rappers goes on... that's a small sample. You've never heard of most of them because most Bay Area rappers are/were independent, and LA has always had the most attention in the first place, since it's CA's biggest city, not to mention all the attention because of NWA, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Cypress Hill, Snoop Dogg, Tupac (after he moved there) , Ice-T, etc, etc, who had lots of exposure because they were on major labels.
As for tupac, all you have to do is listen to his rapping style to see that he was influenced by Bay Area rappers who came before him/at the same time as him (and lots of Bay Rappers were in turn influenced by him, same as many other rappers throughout the country). Tupac had lots of respect for the Bay Area, for obvious reasons.
And you claim us west coast dudes are the ones who need a history lesson?
For the record, most of us over here on the west coast have respect the east coast because 1. it's where hip-hop originated, and 2. it's created a lot of really good rappers. It's too bad there seems to be so many hip hop elitists over there. We have them here too, but not to the same extent it seems. You actually have big name rappers like Joell Ortiz hating on the west coast in his songs (and over sunglasses and shoes, no less, LOL), meanwhile most of us could care less what lame haters think, and actually show respect where it's due, whether it's east, west, south, midwest, UK, denmark, who cares.
This is proof you're not familar with bay rap. All that hyphy stuff was only big in the mid 2000's, and is only one (relatively new) style of rap from the bay area in the first place. Also, Lil B is a pretty good rapper, but you have to listen to his good/serious songs. He makes a lot of really stupid songs just to get attention/have fun, and his good stuff is less well known, so i do understand why many people have a bad opinion of him.
edit: also, there was once a time when your average person could actually understand what Keak the Sneak was saying lol...it was before the Hyphy era.
The only rapper on that list that sold significant records was Hammer. And one album wonder at that. No one cared about his other albums. All the other rappers you listed outside of Too Short and Tupac(east coaster) couldn't market themselves to save their lives. Their music was just that bad. Lil b has to be one of the most wacktastic rappers out there right now.
Assuming that East Coast means DC, Philly, NYC, and Boston and West Coast is everywhere from San Diego to Seattle, I pick West Coast. Much more tolerable weather and much better scenery. East Coast has more history, but I'll take beaches over that any day . If you include Miami, Atlanta, in the East Coast I might reconsider, but for now, nahh.
nah, the 3rd picture, the one that said vancouver, was just the name of the link but i fixed it. when you clicked the link, it had pictures of all around canada. that's actually a picture of nova scotia's cabot trail.
you're right though. the west definitely has more magnificent scenery, i'm just trying to show that the east can still boast some beauty.
I admit those are some pretty pictures, but most of them are confined to parts of Maine and Nova Scotia. Those are pretty small areas.
Technically the west coast stretches from California to Alaska. Most of the coastline along the west coast is pretty undeveloped. In terms of sheer beauty the west coast wins hands down!
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(one of them is west coast though)
. If you include Miami, Atlanta, in the East Coast I might reconsider, but for now, nahh.