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Old 06-17-2009, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Altamonte Springs, FL
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I always laugh when people say Miami isn't a Southern city. It very much so is. Though Miami's BBQ sucks. I'm sorry. It does lol.
Very much so? Jackson, Birmingham, and Augusta are very much so. Miami, hardly at all.
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:24 AM
 
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Miami is a southern city...it's culture is a variation of general southern culture, much like the cultures of southern Louisiana, the Outer Banks of North Carolina, the D.C. suburbs of Northern Virginia, and other specific areas that have become culturally different from what most consider "southern culture".

This list could go on and on, but some of the southern culture that is found in Miami:

1. a major NASCAR presence at the Homestead-Miami Motor Speedway
2. a huge college football following, along with a college football powerhouse team
3. over 200 Baptist Church congregations (baptist churches in Miami, FL on Yahoo! Local)
4. 151 barbecue restaurants (Miami Barbecue Restaurants | Urbanspoon)
5. 71 southern and soul food restaurants (Miami Southern & Soul Restaurants | Urbanspoon)
6. more than 23,000 people directly involved in agriculture in South Florida(Everglades Restoration: Agriculture Affected by South Florida Program?)
7. over 1,000 farms in Dade County alone in 1997:


Number of Farms
Miami is not a REAL southern city. What in Miami is EXCLUSIVELY Southern? There are NASCAR tracks up north, there are farms up north, 200 Baptist churches, MOST of them are probably Haitian Baptist churches, Miami has things that are STEREOTYPICALLY Southern, that you will find in different regions of the US, but nothing TRADEMARK Southern. Miami was founded by Julia Tuttle a northern transplant, and during the Civil War Miami and MUCH of Florida was NOT inhabited by Southern Whites, but were inhabited by Spaniards and Native Americans. The only part of Florida that was used was the panhadle. One of South Florida's most famous street names (Flagler) is famous because of Henry Flagler. He created the Florida east coast rail road, I believe he was from Ohio. But anyway even from a geographical standpoint Miami is closer to the Caribbean then it is to Georgia and the rest of the south. Miami is NOT OFFICIALY a Southern city. Miami is essentialy a Spanish, Carribean, Latin American city, but not really southern. I guess Southern by state affiliation. But even historically it dosen't have MUCH southern history other then segragation.
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:31 AM
 
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I agree with Spade and bornjacksonian.

Miami is southern, hands down. It has alot of other things mixed around, but the southerness has not gone anywhere. It maybe harder to see, but it's there.
It's waaaaaay harder to see. You'll see it in the Black community that aren't Caribbean but that's where it DEFINITELY stops.
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:58 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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If OK City and Fort Worth are getting some love as quality 2nd Tier Cities then Tulsa and Little Rock should also get honorable mention as all these cities are quite similar in culture and positive outlook.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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The Miami Hurricanes fanbase is not that big anyway. I have seen plenty of games at the old Orange Bowl where the stadium was half empty.
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Very much so? Jackson, Birmingham, and Augusta are very much so. Miami, hardly at all.
Dallas nor Houston are Jackson, Birgmingham or Augusta either. Heck, even New Orleans aren't like those cities at all. They are still very much so Southern. The Southern culture in Miami is there. It's not in your face like Jackson or Birmingham. But it's there.
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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Miami is not a REAL southern city. What in Miami is EXCLUSIVELY Southern? There are NASCAR tracks up north, there are farms up north, 200 Baptist churches, MOST of them are probably Haitian Baptist churches, Miami has things that are STEREOTYPICALLY Southern, that you will find in different regions of the US, but nothing TRADEMARK Southern. Miami was founded by Julia Tuttle a northern transplant, and during the Civil War Miami and MUCH of Florida was NOT inhabited by Southern Whites, but were inhabited by Spaniards and Native Americans. The only part of Florida that was used was the panhadle. One of South Florida's most famous street names (Flagler) is famous because of Henry Flagler. He created the Florida east coast rail road, I believe he was from Ohio. But anyway even from a geographical standpoint Miami is closer to the Caribbean then it is to Georgia and the rest of the south. Miami is NOT OFFICIALY a Southern city. Miami is essentialy a Spanish, Carribean, Latin American city, but not really southern. I guess Southern by state affiliation. But even historically it dosen't have MUCH southern history other then segragation.
isn't this flagler the same one responsible for building the fablous flagler memorial church? maybe the resort hotel, too? i have always considered miami as a southern city; however, i will have to say polo advances a pretty credible argument on the reasons it could be the city he describes. certainly, it is good enough to make those interested to consider reading and studying availabe reference material. could this same application be applied to the northern rustbelt cities around the turn of the century? e.g.
: the huge influx of southerners into northern cities for work. can one say that new york city is an eastern city, w/ its extremely blended cultures, ethnicities, and neighborhoods?
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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Miami is not a REAL southern city. What in Miami is EXCLUSIVELY Southern? There are NASCAR tracks up north, there are farms up north, 200 Baptist churches, MOST of them are probably Haitian Baptist churches, Miami has things that are STEREOTYPICALLY Southern, that you will find in different regions of the US, but nothing TRADEMARK Southern. Miami was founded by Julia Tuttle a northern transplant, and during the Civil War Miami and MUCH of Florida was NOT inhabited by Southern Whites, but were inhabited by Spaniards and Native Americans. The only part of Florida that was used was the panhadle. One of South Florida's most famous street names (Flagler) is famous because of Henry Flagler. He created the Florida east coast rail road, I believe he was from Ohio. But anyway even from a geographical standpoint Miami is closer to the Caribbean then it is to Georgia and the rest of the south. Miami is NOT OFFICIALY a Southern city. Miami is essentialy a Spanish, Carribean, Latin American city, but not really southern. I guess Southern by state affiliation. But even historically it dosen't have MUCH southern history other then segragation.
Like I stated earlier...it's simply a variation of southern culture, much like variations that exist all over the South. Northern transplants don't necessarily make the area unique, as there are tons of transplants in many southern cities and states. The hispanic culture does give it a unique flavor and adds to the southern flavor already in existence - but doesn't erase it. Miami is a different kind of southern city, but that doesn't make it "non-southern". New Orleans, Savannah, Key West, Tampa, Mobile, Biloxi, Memphis, Nashville, Louisville, Charlotte - all different kinds of southern cities...they are still southern cities.

Julia Tuttle was from Cleveland...so she's a midwestern transplant. Henry Flagler is also a midwestern transplant, although he was born in New York.

Until 1822, when white settlers bought the area that became Atlanta, it was also inhabited only by Native Americans. Much like Miami, Atlanta grew and prospered due to the railroad being extended to the area.

Prior to the Civil War, Miami was essentially a collection of plantations that utilized slave labor.

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Old 06-18-2009, 12:37 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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If OK City and Fort Worth are getting some love as quality 2nd Tier Cities then Tulsa and Little Rock should also get honorable mention as all these cities are quite similar in culture and positive outlook.
But not size--which is what tiers are based on. But Tulsa will get there before Little Rock, since Tulsa's metro area is knocking on 1 million.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:48 PM
 
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Like I stated earlier...it's simply a variation of southern culture, much like variations that exist all over the South. Northern transplants don't necessarily make the area unique, as there are tons of transplants in many southern cities and states. The hispanic culture does give it a unique flavor and adds to the southern flavor already in existence - but doesn't erase it. Miami is a different kind of southern city, but that doesn't make it "non-southern". New Orleans, Savannah, Key West, Tampa, Mobile, Biloxi, Memphis, Nashville, Louisville, Charlotte - all different kinds of southern cities...they are still southern cities.

Julia Tuttle was from Cleveland...so she's a midwestern transplant. Henry Flagler is also a midwestern transplant, although he was born in New York.

Until 1822, when white settlers bought the area that became Atlanta, it was also inhabited only by Native Americans. Much like Miami, Atlanta grew and prospered due to the railroad being extended to the area.

Prior to the Civil War, Miami was essentially a collection of plantations that utilized slave labor.
Point taken. But at the same time during the time of the Civil War Miami wasn't really a city. Miami doesn't have much Southern history like the other southern cities. Miami WHOLE formation was ALMOST completely do to the Advancements of Transplants and immigrants from the island. Almost none of South Florida's past culture was from that of southerners. The only thing Really southern about South Florida historically is segregation. And MOST of South Florida at that time was uninhabited by Anglo white Southerners, but rather Spaniards. There was The Great Seminole War when the white men attempted to kick out the native americans. But that's the only White history that I know of down there. And MOST of Miami's current population is from the islands. Miami is 65% hispanic. And the whites that DO reside in Miami are from up North. You would be VERY hard pressed to find a NATIVE white southerner in Miami.
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