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Here are the numbers for population gains from 2000-2010 in Manhattan from the top of Central Park all the way down to 14th in Lower Manhattan. No it doesn't count Central Park in its size also.
Area, population gain, area in square miles
Manhattan Community board 5 - 7645 1.6
Manhattan Community board 4 - 15,766 1.8
Manhattan Community board 6 - 6593 1.4
Manhattan Community district 7 - 1385 1.9
Manhattan Community district 8 - 2857 2.0
34,246 - 8.7
Chicago greater downtown area from the Near North side up to the Near South Side, including the West Loop.
Near south side 11,890 1.75
Loop - 12895 1.58
Near North Side - 7673 2.7
West Loop - 9634 1.5
That isn't an apples-to-apples analysis, and kind of defeats the purpose of the topic.
The Near South Side had a gigantic construction boom on what was basically a wasteland of abandoned railroad yards and the like. There are no such areas in places like Midtown or the Upper East Side, so you are basically "punishing" NYC for being more developed in the first place.
And obviously there are areas analogous to the Near South Side in NYC, yet you're not including them in your analysis. Long Island City, Williamsburg-Greenpoint, and Hoboken-Weehawken-Edgewater-Jersey city are similar in that they have massive towers being built on nothing.
The Community Boards you are including in your NYC analysis really have no true Chicago equivalents, but the closest equivalent would be the Near North Side and lakefront areas east of, say, Wells Street, but in this comparison you are basically rewarding a city for having wastelands proximate to city hall.
And then you're not including Community Boards 1-4 in Manhattan, which, if anything are more "CBD" than Community Boards 7-8.
For all we know, NYC might have had more growth in an around their DT, and what DT are we talking about? NY City Hall is next to the World Trade Center... yeah, not many people living down there...
The Downtown area is within Manhattan Community Board 1. From the 2000 to 2010 it increased by 26,558 or 77.2%. Area is 1.5 square miles with Canal St, Baxter St and the Brooklyn Bridge defining the northern limits. Ellis and Governor's Island might be included in the area, if so the area should be 1.2 square miles.
And no, plenty of people live near the World Trade Center. Also, the World Trade Center is adjacent to a giant [partially] tower in the park apartment complex, built ontop landfill from excavauting the foundations to the World Trade Center (early 70s). The park is well done and a nice place to walk around. Here are two photos of the complex [from the wiki page]
The Near South Side had a gigantic construction boom on what was basically a wasteland of abandoned railroad yards and the like. There are no such areas in places like Midtown or the Upper East Side, so you are basically "punishing" NYC for being more developed in the first place.
The far west side of Midtown would be the closest equivalent within Manhattan. West of 9 or 10th avenue.
The far west side of Midtown would be the closest equivalent within Manhattan. West of 9 or 10th avenue.
Yeah, it would be the closest equivalent, but not really the same. There are no big empty industrial sites there. There's one railyard, but it's below ground. It was never an empty area, ever. It was always a mixed use area, with residential, commercial and industrial uses.
true, but it's still denser than anywhere in Chicago.
Chicago includes areas in DT that look like this in Near North side, there is a city farm and a giant Parking lot for Dominicks. Obviously if they are building this, than demand/prices must not be that high, and can just fill in way more easily. Areas around Cabrini Green still look kind of abandoned, as do areas in the South Loop. https://www.google.com/maps/preview#...zZhg!2e0&fid=5
You can look here and still see the open land... Where the Roosevelt Collection and dozens of other projects in this area looked just like this full of empty land or parking lots less than 10 years ago, some even 5 years ago. South of Polk Street and west of Dearborn was basically just a giant empty lot. So was all the stuff around Museum Campus. That lot in the picture is only .5 miles from the Willis Tower, there used to be way more. https://www.google.com/maps/preview#...im9g!2e0&fid=5
Here is another completely empty area. No it isn't a park. Just an undeveloped field.
If you were to expand areas of Manhattan out that "feel" like a DT the # would be much larger, as Manhattan compared to other cities more or less functions like a gigantic downtown.
Apples to apples comparisons for Chicago to NYC is going to be near impossible because of geography, barriers, lack of barriers, land use, etc.....Chicago's downtown is surrounded by industrial and post-industrial land to an extent that I've only seen in Seattle and Los Angeles, so land values and borderlines are even more arbitrary than most downtowns.
If you were to analyze the numbers i posted for the Near North side, I would guess that 80% of the population increases occurred in an irregular shaped area, that would be one hell of an undertaking to define. Cabrini Green's destruction actually offset the overall Near North side growth.
I have relatives in SF who believe Ed Lee is as corrupt as they come, but I don't always agree with them politically.
Rahm seems like he'd be fun. Don't know how effectual he'd be as a mayor, but seems like it'd be a good shakeup. How do the Chicago natives feel about him?
Bloomberg, in my view, was a great mayor. DeBlasio I want to like, but seems like he's going to try too hard to please everyone but will end up in a pretty tough spot doing so.
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