San Francisco 2nd ONLY to New York in terms of influence (compared, moving)

[EastSideMKE]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Actually the only dense I see is Chicago boosters who cant stand whenever any other city is named second to NY.

Ever.

FYI, I never once implied that Chicago was 2nd in importance to NYC, but it definitely outranks the Bay Area as do LA, DC, Philadelphia, and Boston.

Originally Posted by mas23

^ please dont become a chicago basher! I'm begging u

we already have one and his name is de...... (fill in da blank)

I don't know who's worse, the Chicago bashers or these poor delusional souls who think San Francisco is more important than it actually is. Kind of sad really.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by mas23

^ please dont become a chicago basher! I'm begging u

we already have one and his name is de...... (fill in da blank)

Excuse me, I LOVE Chicago.

This isnt really about Chicago or SF, but the egos of those of us who live there.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

FYI, I never once implied that Chicago was 2nd in importance to NYC, but it definitely outranks the Bay Area as do LA, DC, Philadelphia, and Boston.

And as of yet, Ive yet to read anything that would really confirm that. Not economically, not culturally, not at all.

poor delusional souls who think San Francisco is more important than it actually is. Kind of sad really.

Ironic.

[EastSideMKE]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

And as of yet, Ive yet to read anything that would really confirm that. Not economically, not culturally, not at all.

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index


London named world's top business center by MasterCard - CNN.com
MasterCard Worldwide Centers of Commerce Index:
Top 10 Rankings (scores out of a possible 100 points):
• London 77.79
• New York 73.80
• Tokyo 68.09
• Chicago 67.19
• Hong Kong 62.32
• Singapore 61.95
• Frankfurt 61.34
• Paris 61.19
• Seoul 60.70
• Los Angeles 59.05
• Amsterdam 57.30

City Mayors: World's richest cities in 2008
(New York = 100)
1. Zurich 140.3
2. Dublin 132.3
3. Oslo 131.7
4. Geneva 130.4
5. Luxembourg 120.0
6. Copenhagen 114.1
7. London 110.0
8. Helsinki 108.7
9. Frankfurt 102.4
10. Munich 101.4
11. New York 100.0
12. Berlin 98.3
13. Vienna 97.9
14. Los Angeles 96.7
15. Sydney 95.8
16. Chicago 94.1
17. Brussels 93.3
18. Stockholm 92.2
19. Toronto 91.6
20. Tokyo 89.3
21. Montreal 87.7
22. Auckland 87.5
23. Amsterdam 87.3
24. Lyon 83.3
25. Nicosia 83.3
26. Paris 81.4
27. Barcelona 81.4
28. Madrid 78.6
29. Miami 74.4
30. Milan 71.0
31. Dubai 64.2
32. Athens 59.3
33. Rome 59.0
34. Seoul 50.6
35. Lisbon 46.1
36. Singapore 45.0
37. Taipei 43.4
38. Manama 38.1
39. Ljubljana 36.4
40. São Paulo 35.9
41. Johannesburg 35.4
42. Hong Kong 35.4
43. Prague 34.7
44. Moscow 31.6
45. Istanbul 31.3
46. Tallinn 29.3
47. Bratislava 26.6
48. Santiago de Chile 26.4
49. Rio de Janeiro 26.1
50. Budapest 25.6

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

Foreign Policy: The 2008 Global Cities Index


London named world's top business center by MasterCard - CNN.com
MasterCard Worldwide Centers of Commerce Index:
Top 10 Rankings (scores out of a possible 100 points):
• London 77.79
• New York 73.80
• Tokyo 68.09
• Chicago 67.19
• Hong Kong 62.32
• Singapore 61.95
• Frankfurt 61.34
• Paris 61.19
• Seoul 60.70
• Los Angeles 59.05
• Amsterdam 57.30

This is a ranking that quantifies such unimportant things as hotels and the like. Sorry.

City Mayors: World's richest cities in 2008
(New York = 100)
1. Zurich 140.3
2. Dublin 132.3
3. Oslo 131.7
4. Geneva 130.4
5. Luxembourg 120.0
6. Copenhagen 114.1
7. London 110.0
8. Helsinki 108.7
9. Frankfurt 102.4
10. Munich 101.4
11. New York 100.0
12. Berlin 98.3
13. Vienna 97.9
14. Los Angeles 96.7
15. Sydney 95.8
16. Chicago 94.1
17. Brussels 93.3
18. Stockholm 92.2
19. Toronto 91.6
20. Tokyo 89.3
21. Montreal 87.7
22. Auckland 87.5
23. Amsterdam 87.3
24. Lyon 83.3
25. Nicosia 83.3
26. Paris 81.4
27. Barcelona 81.4
28. Madrid 78.6
29. Miami 74.4
30. Milan 71.0
31. Dubai 64.2
32. Athens 59.3
33. Rome 59.0
34. Seoul 50.6
35. Lisbon 46.1
36. Singapore 45.0
37. Taipei 43.4
38. Manama 38.1
39. Ljubljana 36.4
40. São Paulo 35.9
41. Johannesburg 35.4
42. Hong Kong 35.4
43. Prague 34.7
44. Moscow 31.6
45. Istanbul 31.3
46. Tallinn 29.3
47. Bratislava 26.6
48. Santiago de Chile 26.4
49. Rio de Janeiro 26.1

San Francisco is the richest Major US Metro Area. Not NY, Certainly not Chicago or LA.
BEA : CA1-3 - Per capita personal income*2/

The Bay Area leads all CSAs as well.
http://www.bea.gov/regional/reis/dri...=CSA&selSort=1

[EastSideMKE]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

This is a ranking that quantifies such unimportant things as hotels and the like. Sorry.

What in the world are you taking about? It rated cities according to their legal and political framework, economic stability, ease of doing business there, financial flows, standing as a business center, and as a center of knowledge and information.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

San Francisco is the richest Major US Metro Area. Not NY, Certainly not Chicago or LA.
BEA : CA1-3 - Per capita personal income*2/

The Bay Area leads all CSAs as well.
BEA : CA1-3 - Per capita personal income*2/

Personal income and per capita income are irrelevant to this discussion.

Arguing with you has become an exercise in futility. Congratulations, you've successfully convinced yourself that San Francisco is the center of the universe and nobody can tell you otherwise.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

What in the world are you taking about? It rated cities according to their legal and political framework, economic stability, ease of doing business there, financial flows, standing as a business center, and as a center of knowledge and information.

But oddly, it doesnt take into account the total dollar value of commerce that actually takes place there. Strange.

Personal income and per capita income are irrelevant to this discussion.

Well you are so desperate to point out 'richest' and Im showing you that SF is indeed the richest major US Metro. I thought youd be more excited.

Arguing with you has become an exercise in futility.

Because you prefer subjective rankings over raw data?

Congratulations, you've successfully convinced yourself that San Francisco is the center of the universe

Never implied that. At all.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by roboto

One was born in NYC, moved around A LOT, went to highschool in Baltimore, started his rap career in Marin city when he moved there at 17 (but noone knew who the hell he was until he was 20 and rapping with digital underground), moved to Oakland a couple years later, went to jail for almost 2 years, got out and then moved to another city LA, actually blew up in that city, and repped it until he died at age 25, but is somehow still FROM the bay area?

Originally Posted by LakeShoreSoxGo

Exactly when tupac blew up he repped LA hard. I love how when people try to claim bay area hip hop they throw out tupac who wasnt even home grown. Youre better of throwing out mac dre. He gave birth to the only short lived bay are hip hop movement...'hyphy'

Why are so many people confused as to when Pac blew up? He was only on Death Row for 9 months before he was killed. He was a huge name in hip hop for years before All Eyes On Me came out, which propelled him to the next level. But he had already blown up by '93 when "Strictly..." came out. Everyone already knew who he was when "Keep Ya Head Up" and "I Get Around" came out and he acted in "Above The Rim" and "Poetic Justice." Just like how he was a household name when he had that rape accusation BS to deal with. He had plenty of his career left as a Bay Area artist who had already "blown up" from '93 on. He never even attempted to rep LA til '96, the year he was murdered. There's a good reason why the Bay Area will always view him as one of our own.

[jman650]

I don't know about it being second behind NYC, (LA beats it out w/o a doubt), but it definitely is significant in terms of influence. But I'd vote for the Bay Area as a whole when talking about how much influence has come from here. Everything from the Hippie movement, the Beatnicks, Chinese Mafia presence in America along with the nations oldest and largest Chinatown, Bruce Lee, The Greatful Dead, the gay movement, Craigslist, Rolling Stone Magazine (originally), Thrasher Magazine, Bank of America & Wells Fargo (originally), the rave scene, Clint Eastwood, Shirley Temple, Bing Crosby, Metallica, Journey & a ton of big name groups and one hit wonders from the 60s, 70s, 80s & 90s, to the internet & most major dot coms; the Black Panthers; prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, the Mexican Mafia, the Nuestra Familia & the BGF; a ton of slang; rappers like 2Pac, Too Short, Mac Dre, Digital Underground & MC Hammer; R&B singers like En Vogue & Keyshia Cole; the West Coast Offense in football; sports icons from here like Joe DiMaggio, Barry Bonds, Bill Walsh, Lynn Swann & Tom Brady as well as ones that played here like Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, Steve Young & Willy Mays; the atomic bomb; mountain biking; the VCR; George Lucas, Star Wars & Indiana Jones; John Madden; OJ Simpson; Green Day; Creedence Clearwater Revival; Bill Graham & The Fillmore Auditorium; 1015 Folsom (one of the top electronic music clubs in the nation); Alcatraz & Burning Man.

The SF Bay Area as a whole has had a lot of influence over many various aspects of American culture/counter culture. Probably a lot more than most people realize.

[eastcoastremainderz]

Tupac released his first 3 albums in the bay area, two of which went multi-platinum. He was already very famous when he moved to LA. As the quotes earlier in the thread showed, he viewed the bay areas as home, as where his roots are. get it?

Originally Posted by roboto

Wait, so the same people arguing 2pac IS from the bay are saying Barack is NOT from Chicago? Hahahaha, how does that make any sense at all?

One was born in NYC, moved around A LOT, went to highschool in Baltimore, started his rap career in Marin city when he moved there at 17 (but noone knew who the hell he was until he was 20 and rapping with digital underground), moved to Oakland a couple years later, went to jail for almost 2 years, got out and then moved to another city LA, actually blew up in that city, and repped it until he died at age 25, but is somehow still FROM the bay area? The other, grew up as a child in Hawaii and Indonesia, went to school as a teen in LA, then NYC, then moved to southside Chicago in the late 70's. Later went to grad school in Harvard (Boston area), but moved back shortly after that to southside chicago to work as a civil rights attorney, started his political career there 12 years later in the 90's representing a southside Chicago district in state government, marries his wife who is from Chicago in Chicago, has two kids there, becomes senator of Illinois an additional 12 years later(mind hes been in chicago already longer than Pac lived his entire life), becomes president but keeps his home in Kenwood, Chicago, but is somehow not a Chicagoan? AHahahahahahaha!!!

Anyways, its not debateable what is the 2nd most culturally influential city in America - its LA. Im not even a huge fan of LA, or American culture, but thats what it is.

Plus, House music was created in Chicago (and a new form of Blues), and thats all over the world especially europe. Detroit gave us all cars and the motown sound. New Orleans gave us modern Jazz. Hell, Philly gave us our constitution.

Tons of cities have their claim to fame. But the entertainment industry is HQ'd in LA, and the finance sector is HQ'd in NYC. And, wether you or I like it or not, these are the two most important aspects of culture in America - money and entertainment.