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Old 08-18-2009, 12:17 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Smart/cultured people aren't really drawn to Los Angeles or San Diego. San Francisco (along with New York, Boston, DC) has far greater share of intellectuals than Los Angeles. There are hardly any "yuppies" in Los Angeles, just a bunch of uneducated people trying to get into the entertainment business and illegal immigrants. San Diego is just a small town of beach bums, slackers, ageing frat boys, conservative military people and illegals with no intellectual scene. It's very hard to find intelligent and cultured people in LA.

Not to mention LA is much poorer than SF.
This is total BS and reeks of typical, close minded stereotypes. Doubt you've ever lived in either place but just spew typical NorCal centric BS.

San Diego is one of the Top 10 most educated cities in America, up there with cities like SF, Seattle, Boston, etc... in the percentage of people with college degrees. Just b/c people here don't wear their politics on their sleeves and try to ACT like some psuedo-intellectual doesn't mean people here are not smart or cultured. The Bay Area is full of many fake, wannabe psuedo-intellectual types that like to pretend they are smart and cultured when they really don't have a damn clue what they're talking about and are as fake as the biggest Hollywood wannabe. Apparently finding a bunch of other left wing nut jobs to form some sort of ideological circle jerk equates to "intellectualism and enlightenment" for some. If one is some culture/urban snob then they may not like SD but it has plenty of museums and cultural attractions for most people. LA is hardly a cultural wasteland either and has many events, museums, etc..going on as well. To say that these places are uneducated with no intellectuals and are cultural wastelands is just incredibly ignorant. It's quite amazing how clueless and ignorant those who claim to be intellectuals and cultured can be.

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Old 08-18-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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Generally what this refers to is the part of California that roughly falls inside the southern part of Joel Garreau's "Ecotopia" (from "The Nine Nations of North America").

And specifically this refers to the SF "mystique."

Since SF has long tried to emulate the look of the East Coast or Europe architecturally and density wise, it's been a natural place for the "Sex and the City" crowd, as well as more troglodyte-like bohemians, who have tired of the NYC / Boston / et al weather (and other issues) and yet still want to have some semblance of their former digs and crowd. The place is overwhelmed by these types (and various wannabes "escaping" places like the Midwest. Dixie and the normal parts of the Western US). Their vibe reaches far and wide.

Is it really something to be proud of (said the old Nor Cal cowboy in his "outdated" Southwestern twang)?

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Old 08-18-2009, 12:50 PM
 
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If you don't think the Bay Area is shallow I'd suggest opening your eyes and and ears.
Furthermore once you leave the bay area northern and north central california become incredibly provincial/parochial.

Most of the people in Sf aren't even from Sf and never stay more than a few years in Sf. Tons of transplants trying to play the part of what they think a Native San Fransiscan is. Which unfortunately gives the area a negative stereotype.

One of Sf's biggest pitfalls is that people really don't seem to understand just how irrelevant the city is on a global and national scale . I think that's why the city always gives off a "look at us" vibe. It is a city totally dependent on tourism as it's main industry and that's what more or less keeps the city a float. That's why they are always trying to gain attention (loonly laws, open vice, fringe liberal politics).

The east bay like the rest of the old manufacturing towns is in a dire situation.

Virtually all of the Sf bay area's relevance revolves around silicon valley, corporate and industrial and it is more or less what is holding and has been holding the region together. It is no secret the San Fransisco 49ers football team and the Oakland A's baseball team have been courting Santa Clara/ San Jose for quite some time. There is a reason for this. That is where the real money, intellect, and venture capitalism is out there.

Sacramento is no cup of tea, highest unemployment out of the "big 4 regions" in california, as that town revloves around government and up until 2 years ago, real estate. Yea real smart.

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And all this whine about pretentiousness, global irrelevance and "look at us" vibe coming from a Chicagoan. Incredibly funny
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Old 08-18-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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California really is 2 different states. North of SLO (about 14 million people), especially the Bay Area (7.5 million) is generally a very enlightened, progressive population. Hence, why Cali has a reputation of being a progressive state.

On the whole, more progressive and intellectual than NY State.

But south of SLO (LA, SD, Orange County, inland empire) is an intellectual wasteland comparable to Florida.
South of SLO is more enlightened than north of SLO. It's evident in the hubris displayed by those northern californians who consider themselves "enlightened" while disparaging others to prove their point.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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South of SLO is more enlightened than north of SLO. It's evident in the hubris displayed by those northern californians who consider themselves "enlightened" while disparaging others to prove their point.
I agree about that post being incredibly boastful and uncalled for.

To call anywhere a intellectual wasteland is so ignorant. Sorry to our SoCal friends.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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The Bay Area is full of many fake, wannabe psuedo-intellectual types that like to pretend they are smart and cultured when they really don't have a damn clue what they're talking about and are as fake as the biggest Hollywood wannabe.
Unlike some places, The Bay Area is not known for being fake for a reason.

Because its not.

No, this place is the real deal on so many levels.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:34 PM
 
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l.a a lot "faker" than the bay though... friends from ny that visit both always say the same thing. l.a fake, the bay is more chill and not phony in comparison. i love socal for giving me in n out burger though.
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Old 08-19-2009, 12:55 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Unlike some places, The Bay Area is not known for being fake for a reason.

Because its not.

No, this place is the real deal on so many levels.
Haha, get real already! It's just not quite as visible and apparent in NorCal but there are plenty of fake posers and wannabes all over the Bay Area, just a different type than SoCal. The psuedo-intellectuals, wannabe gansters/rappers, trustafarian activists, Sex and the City wannabe urbanites, hispters, etc...The place isn't as "real" as some like to convince themselves it is, at least not as much as it used to be.
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Old 08-19-2009, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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The place isn't as "real" as some like to convince themselves it is, at least not as much as it used to be.
Actually its better than it used to be.

Much better.

And considering how The Bay Area was already awesome, that's quite a fete.
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Old 08-19-2009, 01:33 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Actually its better than it used to be.

Much better.

And considering how The Bay Area was already awesome, that's quite a fete.
In some ways it's better but not with what I'm talking about. Many people have noted how the Bay Area has changed for the worse in certain ways.
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