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Old 05-03-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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California really is 2 different states. North of SLO (about 14 million people), especially the Bay Area (7.5 million) is generally a very enlightened, progressive population. Hence, why Cali has a reputation of being a progressive state.

On the whole, more progressive and intellectual than NY State.

But south of SLO (LA, SD, Orange County, inland empire) is an intellectual wasteland comparable to Florida.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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That makes sense to me. Although NorCal is a lot more pretentious than NY State.

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California really is 2 different states. North of SLO (about 14 million people), especially the Bay Area (7.5 million) is generally a very enlightened, progressive population. Hence, why Cali has a reputation of being a progressive state.

On the whole, more progressive and intellectual than NY State.

But south of SLO (LA, SD, Orange County, inland empire) is an intellectual wasteland comparable to Florida.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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Northern California being more enlightened than southern cal (being educated myself I find this to mean informed about various facts vs indentifying with a political ideology) is largley a myth.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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Progressive = liberal. Now that's intellectually DISHONEST not to call it what it is.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:36 PM
 
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I disagree completely and Ive lived in both areas. LA certainly has many intellectual, enlightened people. But as a whole the culture there is pretty superficial. SD is beautiful but shallow. OC and Inland Empire, IMO, are unbelievably shallow.

But the Bay Area, far Northern Cali, and the central coast North of Santa Barbara (that would be my cutoff line) seems to generally have a more enlightened, self-reflective, intellectually curious population.

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Northern California being more enlightened than southern cal (being educated myself I find this to mean informed about various facts vs indentifying with a political ideology) is largley a myth.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:52 PM
 
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If you don't think the Bay Area is shallow I'd suggest opening your eyes and and ears.
Furthermore once you leave the bay area northern and north central california become incredibly provincial/parochial.

Most of the people in Sf aren't even from Sf and never stay more than a few years in Sf. Tons of transplants trying to play the part of what they think a Native San Fransiscan is. Which unfortunately gives the area a negative stereotype.

One of Sf's biggest pitfalls is that people really don't seem to understand just how irrelevant the city is on a global and national scale . I think that's why the city always gives off a "look at us" vibe. It is a city totally dependent on tourism as it's main industry and that's what more or less keeps the city a float. That's why they are always trying to gain attention (loonly laws, open vice, fringe liberal politics).

The east bay like the rest of the old manufacturing towns is in a dire situation.

Virtually all of the Sf bay area's relevance revolves around silicon valley, corporate and industrial and it is more or less what is holding and has been holding the region together. It is no secret the San Fransisco 49ers football team and the Oakland A's baseball team have been courting Santa Clara/ San Jose for quite some time. There is a reason for this. That is where the real money, intellect, and venture capitalism is out there.

Sacramento is no cup of tea, highest unemployment out of the "big 4 regions" in california, as that town revloves around government and up until 2 years ago, real estate. Yea real smart.

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Old 05-03-2009, 05:46 PM
 
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Its been pointed out time and time again how influential the Bay Area has been culturally. It is also the largest financial center on the west coast. And as you mentioned, technology innovation has come from Silicon Valley

Far more influential than Chicago. Heck, Id even say a provincial city like Seattle has been more influential than Chicago.

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If you don't think the Bay Area is shallow I'd suggest opening your eyes and and ears.
Furthermore once you leave the bay area northern and north central california become incredibly provincial/parochial.

Most of the people in Sf aren't even from Sf and never stay more than a few years in Sf. Tons of transplants trying to play the part of what they think a Native San Fransiscan is. Which unfortunately gives the area a negative stereotype.

One of Sf's biggest pitfalls is that people really don't seem to understand just how irrelevant the city is on a global and national scale . I think that's why the city always gives off a "look at us" vibe. It is a city totally dependent on tourism as it's main industry and that's what more or less keeps the city a float. That's why they are always trying to gain attention (loonly laws, open vice, fringe liberal politics).

The east bay like the rest of the old manufacturing towns is in a dire situation.

Virtually all of the Sf bay area's relevance revolves around silicon valley, corporate and industrial and it is more or less what is holding and has been holding the region together. It is no secret the San Fransisco 49ers football team and the Oakland A's baseball team have been courting Santa Clara/ San Jose for quite some time. There is a reason for this. That is where the real money, intellect, and venture capitalism is out there.

Sacramento is no cup of tea, highest unemployment out of the "big 4 regions" in california, as that town revloves around government and up until 2 years ago, real estate. Yea real smart.

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Old 08-16-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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If you don't think the Bay Area is shallow I'd suggest opening your eyes and and ears.
Furthermore once you leave the bay area northern and north central california become incredibly provincial/parochial.

Most of the people in Sf aren't even from Sf and never stay more than a few years in Sf. Tons of transplants trying to play the part of what they think a Native San Fransiscan is. Which unfortunately gives the area a negative stereotype.

One of Sf's biggest pitfalls is that people really don't seem to understand just how irrelevant the city is on a global and national scale . I think that's why the city always gives off a "look at us" vibe. It is a city totally dependent on tourism as it's main industry and that's what more or less keeps the city a float. That's why they are always trying to gain attention (loonly laws, open vice, fringe liberal politics).

The east bay like the rest of the old manufacturing towns is in a dire situation.

Virtually all of the Sf bay area's relevance revolves around silicon valley, corporate and industrial and it is more or less what is holding and has been holding the region together. It is no secret the San Fransisco 49ers football team and the Oakland A's baseball team have been courting Santa Clara/ San Jose for quite some time. There is a reason for this. That is where the real money, intellect, and venture capitalism is out there.

Sacramento is no cup of tea, highest unemployment out of the "big 4 regions" in california, as that town revloves around government and up until 2 years ago, real estate. Yea real smart.

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funny. wrong and inaccurate, but funny.
because the suburbs of fremont, newark, UC, Walnut Creek, Pleasanton, Hercules, Dublin etc are all in squalor.
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Old 08-16-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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If you don't think the Bay Area is shallow I'd suggest opening your eyes and and ears.
Flattery will go you nowhere.
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Old 08-17-2009, 11:45 PM
 
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Progressive = liberal. Now that's intellectually DISHONEST not to call it what it is.
Same with Conservative = Wingnut. Seriously Obama (Pelosi, and most Dems) are liberals while Kucinich and Sanders are progressives. The difference? Liberals cave into Conservatives' whining and blackmail (public option now degenerating into co-ops and will degenerate into mandates) while Progressives stand their ground (Single-payer only; No more, no less!).
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