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View Poll Results: Do you think NYC will still be the largest city in 2050?
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Greater Boston
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Yes, I understand. I was referring to previous posts by the Houston guy and his same tired claims.
oh i thought that was directed towards me because you quoted my post, but i realize it was only the first sentences
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Boston is already the 5th largest Urban area. Houston is 9th. Does anyone think that drawing lines on a map to make Cambridge into a neighborhood in Boston would change anything other than a population figure?

The whole claim Houston makes to being the fourth largest city and fifth largest metro area is ridiculous. Houston barely has any suburban municipalities around it. The city has annexed in all directions throughout its history. So, nearly its entire metro area is counted as city population.
you are talking BS. Boston is the 10th largest UA not the 5th.

Houston is 7th, not 9th.

Don't you get tired of making up BS?

And what does annexation have to do with metro areas? my gosh man do you know anything about ensus areas???:

Here go educate yourself a bit and come back and post something based in fact:
List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and FYI Houston's MSA is almost 20 times larger than its city limits. It is flat out nonsense to say almost the entire metro area is city population. Don't confuse us with San Antonio. Like I said, read up on something before you make bold but silly comments

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i am not a houstonian i am a greater bostonian so trust me when i say that i know for a fact that bostons urban area is far superior than houston, atlanta, and dallas. i was just stating my opinion about how i think that in the future the bay area will be larger than greater Boston i was not saying anything about urbanized area.
Oh Please. Boston is almost the least densest major UA in the Country. Out of the 50 biggest only Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte, Jacksonville and Raleigh are less dense

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Old 10-21-2012, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Nob Hill, San Francisco, CA
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City
NYC 8,244,910
LA 3,819,702
Chicago 2,707,120
Houston 2,145,146
Philly 1,536,471
Phoenix 1,469,471
San Antonio 1,359,758
San Diego 1,326,179
Dallas 1,223,229
San Jose 967,487

MSA
NYC 19,015,900
LA 12,944,801
Chicago 9,504,753
Dallas 6,526,548
Houston 6,086,538
Philly 5,992,414
DC 5,703,948
Miami 5,670,125
Atlanta 5,359,205
Boston 4,591,112

CSA
NYC 22,214,083
LA 18,081,569
Chicago 9,729,825
DC 8,718,083
Boston 7,601,061
SF Bay Area 7,563,460
Dallas 6,887,383
Philly 6,562,287
Houston 6,191,434
Atlanta 5,712,148

UA
NYC 18,351,295
LA 12,150,996
Chicago 8,608,208
Miami 5,502,379
Philly 5,441,567
Dallas 5,121,892
Houston 4,944,332
DC 4,586,770
Atlanta 4,515,419
Boston 4,181,019

UN's Urban Agglomeration
NYC 20,464,000
LA 14,900,000
Chicago 9,121,000
Dallas 5,874,000
SF Bay Area 5,864,000
Philly 5,474,000
Houston 5,383,000
Atlanta 4,715,000
DC 4,679,000
Boston 4,427,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Top 10 for each. Everyone knows we have to look at metro (CSA/MSA) or UA to get an idea of how structurally large "cities" really are. Interesting how only the big three NYC, LA, and Chicago stay consistently in their order across the board. Wow. There really is no "4th city" in the US.

I go by CSA and the global Urban Agglomeration, cant really blame anyone for choosing UA or MSA really but will openly blame them for being stupid and supporting "city" over the rest. That one is just ridiculous.

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Old 10-21-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta , Georgia
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I Think Cities Like Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte and Seattle will Have some major Growth
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Top 10 for each. Everyone knows we have to look at metro (CSA/MSA) or UA to get an idea of how structurally large "cities" really are. Interesting how only the big three NYC, LA, and Chicago stay consistently in their order across the board.
And that will remain so for some time to come.

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I go by CSA and the global Urban Agglomeration,
looks like the global agglomeration adds up all the adjoining UAs in the area. Looks like the best metric from the ones listed to me.

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cant really blame anyone for choosing UA or MSA
UA and MSA are my second and third favorites from the list. My problem with CSA is that it is limiting. Miami and Phoenix are definitely top 15 cities and any list without them is certainly incomplete. That is why I prefer MSAs when comparing cities. It is informative as a side note to include CSAs though. To show the regions strengths, but would be a lot better if the remaining cities had them.


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really but will openly blame them for being stupid and supporting "city" over the rest. That one is just ridiculous.
I don't see a problem is supporting city as municipal functions still exert clout (Big city mayors Bloomberg, Villaraigosa) but I agree that the metrics above are better at gauging city stature. But you have to admit too that there are some things that City has over other metrics.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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City
NYC 8,244,910
LA 3,819,702
Chicago 2,707,120
Houston 2,145,146
Philly 1,536,471
Phoenix 1,469,471
San Antonio 1,359,758
San Diego 1,326,179
Dallas 1,223,229
San Jose 967,487

MSA
NYC 19,015,900
LA 12,944,801
Chicago 9,504,753
Dallas 6,526,548
Houston 6,086,538
Philly 5,992,414
DC 5,703,948
Miami 5,670,125
Atlanta 5,359,205
Boston 4,591,112

CSA
NYC 22,214,083
LA 18,081,569
Chicago 9,729,825
DC 8,718,083
Boston 7,601,061
SF Bay Area 7,563,460
Dallas 6,887,383
Philly 6,562,287
Houston 6,191,434
Atlanta 5,712,148

UA
NYC 18,351,295
LA 12,150,996
Chicago 8,608,208
Miami 5,502,379
Philly 5,441,567
Dallas 5,121,892
Houston 4,944,332
DC 4,586,770
Atlanta 4,515,419
Boston 4,181,019

UN's Urban Agglomeration
NYC 20,464,000
LA 14,900,000
Chicago 9,121,000
Dallas 5,874,000
SF Bay Area 5,864,000
Philly 5,474,000
Houston 5,383,000
Atlanta 4,715,000
DC 4,679,000
Boston 4,427,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Top 10 for each. Everyone knows we have to look at metro (CSA/MSA) or UA to get an idea of how structurally large "cities" really are. Interesting how only the big three NYC, LA, and Chicago stay consistently in their order across the board. Wow. There really is no "4th city" in the US.

I go by CSA and the global Urban Agglomeration, cant really blame anyone for choosing UA or MSA really but will openly blame them for being stupid and supporting "city" over the rest. That one is just ridiculous.

I don't like using CSA's, it's basically just a measure of suburban sprawl for every area except the Bay Area. MSA's or UA's are a good measurement of a city I think except for the Bay Area obviously which is a special case.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Greater Boston
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I don't like using CSA's, it's basically just a measure of suburban sprawl for every area except the Bay Area. MSA's or UA's are a good measurement of a city I think except for the Bay Area obviously which is a special case.
why is the bay area so special?
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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why is the bay area so special?
Look at a map. The Bay Area is way more densely developed as a CSA
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:44 AM
 
Location: The City
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Look at a map. The Bay Area is way more densely developed as a CSA

In the inner bay areas the outer portions of th CSA are further removed (whether by mountian or not)

The 5.5 million people in the inner Bay would likely be a good MSA and the outer extende portion s more the CSA IMHO

The MSA should be like 5.5-6 million and CSA like 7.5 or so IMHO
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:16 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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City
NYC 8,244,910
LA 3,819,702
Chicago 2,707,120
Houston 2,145,146
Philly 1,536,471
Phoenix 1,469,471
San Antonio 1,359,758
San Diego 1,326,179
Dallas 1,223,229
San Jose 967,487

MSA
NYC 19,015,900
LA 12,944,801
Chicago 9,504,753
Dallas 6,526,548
Houston 6,086,538
Philly 5,992,414
DC 5,703,948
Miami 5,670,125
Atlanta 5,359,205
Boston 4,591,112

CSA
NYC 22,214,083
LA 18,081,569
Chicago 9,729,825
DC 8,718,083
Boston 7,601,061
SF Bay Area 7,563,460
Dallas 6,887,383
Philly 6,562,287
Houston 6,191,434
Atlanta 5,712,148

UA
NYC 18,351,295
LA 12,150,996
Chicago 8,608,208
Miami 5,502,379
Philly 5,441,567
Dallas 5,121,892
Houston 4,944,332
DC 4,586,770
Atlanta 4,515,419
Boston 4,181,019

UN's Urban Agglomeration
NYC 20,464,000
LA 14,900,000
Chicago 9,121,000
Dallas 5,874,000
SF Bay Area 5,864,000
Philly 5,474,000
Houston 5,383,000
Atlanta 4,715,000
DC 4,679,000
Boston 4,427,000

http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Top 10 for each. Everyone knows we have to look at metro (CSA/MSA) or UA to get an idea of how structurally large "cities" really are. Interesting how only the big three NYC, LA, and Chicago stay consistently in their order across the board. Wow. There really is no "4th city" in the US.

I go by CSA and the global Urban Agglomeration, cant really blame anyone for choosing UA or MSA really but will openly blame them for being stupid and supporting "city" over the rest. That one is just ridiculous.
Going by CSA isn't a perfect measure because some Metros are not part of a CSA. This makes non-CSA metros invisible and you end up comparing apples to oranges.....well....invisible oranges.

I do agree that municipal limits are often misleading as the the true size of a metro areas. Outside of America's largest 3 cities, very few places (if any) rank the same when compared using different measurement methodologies. I'll have to look up this UN Urban Agglomeration metric. I don't know anything about it.

Okay...so I just looked that UN PDF and it appears that you made at least one mistake. You omitted Miami. It lands between San Francisco and Philly, thus eliminating Boston from their top ten.

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