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Metropolitan areas are already designated by percentage of commuters. Sounds good, though.
yes, but you missed the whole point. right now they are done by county interaction via commuting. I didn't say they should do it just by commuting. I said maybe they should do urban census tracks with commuting. Kinda how they are joining Galveston and the Woodlands UA to Houston's, maybe they should look into doing that for metros and skip the other parts of counties. I know places like LA and Miami would come out looking much better on the metro level.
So says someone who combines two metros/MSAs frequently
You are right, but different topic. The Bay Area is a whole metro. There is no legitimate distinction in urban area from SF to SJ. Thats a different topic than combining NY to PH or LA to SD. And youve never heard me say SF and Sacramento should be combined. I hope it never happens.
yes, but you missed the whole point. right now they are done by county interaction via commuting. I didn't say they should do it just by commuting. I said maybe they should do urban census tracks with commuting. Kinda how they are joining Galveston and the Woodlands UA to Houston's, maybe they should look into doing that for metros and skip the other parts of counties. I know places like LA and Miami would come out looking much better on the metro level.
I see what you mean. Seems like it wouldn't do much good versus using normal metro strategies for most things. A lot of areas would look better this way, actually.
Philly and nyc, while cultural and historically distinct, are alot more intertwined than ppl want to acknowledge. You can take hsr from one downtown to the next. Can that be said about sf/sj? The distance between the two may be slightly further, but that is negated by the massive size of thier urban footprints. Their suburbs clearly overlap in mercer and bucks counties. The northern suburbs of philly are the far southern suburbs of nyc. No other urban dynamic on that scale exists anywhere else in n. America. A true megapolis in every sense of the word, and as central jersey becomes more and more developed it just solidifies what is already fact, northern delaware to southern connecticut is one continuous urban area, and its only a matter of decades before the dmv and eventually boston get in on it.
You are right, but different topic. The Bay Area is a whole metro. There is no legitimate distinction in urban area from SF to SJ. Thats a different topic than combining NY to PH or LA to SD. And youve never heard me say SF and Sacramento should be combined. I hope it never happens.
And there is a legitimate distinction between the NYC/NJ/Philly area? You realize where the census cuts the Metros the citys/towns on either side are at 11,000 and 7,000 ppsm and developed in both directions through to either city, correct? I do agree that the bay is cohesive but also I think you many times misrepresent this as being unique. And agree that SF to Sacramento is nothing compared to the developed cohesion between SJ and SF or NYC and Philly by any stretch.
BTW - the Census has already issued a formal position that their recommendation is to combine the Urban areas of NYC and Philly of which I believe the link is a few pages back.
Phoenix will resemble Detroit by 2050. People will realize that you can't build a city with low density and no water in the SW when energy costs rise even further.
And there is a legitimate distinction between the NYC/NJ/Philly area? You realize where the census cuts the Metros the citys/towns on either side are at 11,000 and 7,000 ppsm and developed in both directions through to either city, correct? I do agree that the bay is cohesive but also I think you many times misrepresent this as being unique. And agree that SF to Sacramento is nothing compared to the developed cohesion between SJ and SF or NYC and Philly by any stretch.
BTW - the Census has already issued a formal position that their recommendation is to combine the Urban areas of NYC and Philly of which I believe the link is a few pages back.
Of course the suburbs touch, its not that far. My point is who cares about combining major metros. San Jose to SF is different, they are part of the same area, fronting the same bay, visible from each other, fully intertwined. Phillys way outer suburbs touch sure, but they are far more distinct and separate metros than in the Bay area. And yes, I realize everything!
Of course the suburbs touch, its not that far. My point is who cares about combining major metros. San Jose to SF is different, they are part of the same area, fronting the same bay, visible from each other, fully intertwined. Phillys way outer suburbs touch sure, but they are far more distinct and separate metros than in the Bay area. And yes, I realize everything!
You realize then where the census cuts the MSA line it is in the FAR WAY OUTER suburbs 11 miles from Philadelphia proper - about the distance of the Tenderloin to SFO (only diference is the density maintained through that space is higher here and continued on the other side of the MSA cut line) - yep this a WAY OUTER FAR AWAY place - I do however agree that Philly and NYC retain far more of unique identity than do SF and SJ (well really the SJ portion because SF most definately does) but in terms of intertwining in the space that connects there is far less difference
The areas that people who understand area would call the Way Outer Far Away suburbs are not in the direction that links these two - Say like a Coatesville to the West (not Northeast) of Philadelphia
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