Los Angeles > Chicago. (live, best, state, better)

[carverR]

Originally Posted by BigLake

dementor, now you've taken to name-dropping/speaking for Springsteen? Who are you, Ronald Reagan? Can you please get Mark Knopfler or Martin Scorcese to vouch for your stance on culture and cities? Do you think they would? Or, do you think they would laugh at you?

You know very little about cultural elites and their impact on society, other than your voyeuristic fascination fetish with them. It's readily apparent you know even less about Chicago, and even less so about message board etiquette. Cut you losses and log off.

Dementor your scribblings clearly remind me of how much impact on society cultural elities have and how the lack of them affects mentality and intelectual prowess of those living in the less fortunate areas of the country.

Of course living in Chicago you don't have to care about cultural elites. Who needs them if Chicago based movies, TV, media and music are enough for the common folk in Chicago. Who cares about culture when you have the tallest building?

[carverR]

Originally Posted by Hendu

Since when does playing DJ Hero count as spinning records?

I am impressed both with your wit and ignorance. Not sure which impresses me more. I can see you don't have any more arguments. Good

[BigLake]

Originally Posted by carverR

I am impressed both with your wit and ignorance. Not sure which impresses me more. I can see you don't have any more arguments. Good

dementor... I'm not sure their question was rhetorical.

[grapico]

Originally Posted by carverR

Again, no arguments so you attack the oponent.
I would know how to. I used to spin records myself and I bet I know more about trance, techno, house, progressive than you.

I was in Berlin in 2003 mainly to hear PVD.

PS. What about the name of people from cultural elites living in Chicago? You "forgot", right?

damn man, you know I can pull the lineup on the internet right so i can fact check you?

lets look at the lineup then from love parade 2003...from all this non house stuff going on there.

then you must have seen ...

• Paul van Dyk
• Felix da Housecat
• Roger Sanchez
• Tomcraft
• Tom Novy
• Westbam
• Moguai
• Umek
• Chris Liebing
• DJ Rush
• Pete Tong
• Hell
• Lexy
• Dr. Motte
• chrysler
• La.Di.Da

yeah no house djs there...

certainly none from chicago either, gasp... oh wait 2nd dj headlining BERLIN love parade is a HOUSE dj from that old backwater nobody cares about town of CHICAGO!!! :/
http://www.last.fm/festival/1098647+...003+Love+Rules

oh dear oh dear, I'm going down the list... damn I see another HOUSE DJ from CHICAGO HEADLINING, DJ RUSH AT THE SAME LOVE PARADE IN BERLIN YOU WERE SUPPOSEDLY AT...

oh wait wait, there is Roger Sanchez too, but wait he is from New york, well that is the united states where house is irrelevant right? Damn...

if you don't think the president is cultural elite i am not sure what to tell you.

do you want to continue to embarrass yourself or have you had enough, I Can do this all day.

[carverR]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

How is that everything you say is pretty much highly opinionated and wrong? It's like your squeezing for some kind of little loophole to get through whether or not it's true or relevant (yes, because all should have the same dull taste in music as you, right?). It is slimy and arousing.

Have you ever been to NYC or SF? The improv scene in NYC is especially big, and a good number of the current crop of actors learned their ropes doing improv at places like UCB.

It is wrong because it does not agree with what you believe. I am surprised.

Imrpov scene in New York? It's marginal compared to everything else that's happening on NY stages. It's so typical grapico. You attack my opninons and then fail to provide any supporting evidence. You claimed Chicago has cultural elites and then never provided any names besides the president and his secretary of state. You disputed my assessment that Europe is dancing to trance and not house and never provided any evidence to the contrary. Disputing with you is little strange, grapico. It's seem like you chose what you want to believe instead of relying on facts to make your opinions.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by carverR

It is wrong because it does not agree with what you believe. I am surprised.

Imrpov scene in New York? It's marginal compared to everything else that's happening on NY stages. It's so typical grapico. You attack my opninons and then fail to provide any supporting evidence. You claimed Chicago has cultural elites and then never provided any names besides the president and his secretary of state. You disputed my assessment that Europe is dancing to trance and not house and never provided any evidence to the contrary. Disputing with you is little strange, grapico. It's seem like you chose what you want to believe instead of relying on facts to make your opinions.

Oh, I meant to say "and/or" wrong. Good catch! Now did you catch any other surprises in that post?

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by carverR

If I were as ignorant I would do the same . In Europe TRANCE is the king, house is old news. I am quoiting this all so you can learn a liuttle about the wotrld outside of the US. Note Ibiza's, Van Buuren's and Tiesto's assotiation with trance and not house. Alos note huge tranc festivals in Los Angeles and the lack of such in Chicago? Why do you guys always have to be twenty years behind the rest of the world?

Trance music is broken into a large number of genres. Chronologically, the major genres are Classic trance, Acid trance, Progressive trance, and Uplifting Trance. Uplifting Trance is also known as "Anthem trance", "Epic trance", "Stadium trance" or "Euphoric trance". Closely related to Uplifting Trance is Euro-trance, which has become a general term for a wide variety of highly commercialized European dance music. Several subgenres are crossovers with other major genres of electronic music. For instance, tech trance is a mixture of trance and techno, Vocal Trance adds vocals and a pop-like structure to the songs, and Ambient trance is a mixture of ambient and trance. Balearic beat, which is associated with the laid back vacation lifestyle of Ibiza, Spain, is often called "Ibiza trance". Similarly, Dream trance is sometimes called "Dream House", and is a subgenre of relaxing trance pioneered by Robert Miles in the mid 90s.
Another important distinction is between European trance and Goa trance which originated in Goa, India around the same time trance was evolving in Europe. Goa trance was influential in the formation of Psychedelic Trance, which features spazzy, spontaneous samples and other psychedelic elements. Trance is also very popular in Israel, with psychedelic trance producers such as Infected Mushroom and Yahel Sherman achieving world wide fame. The Israeli subgenre called Nitzhonot is a mixture of psychedelic and uplifting trance.

Trance Festivals:

The Netherlands



Some of the best festivals are displayed in the Netherlands. Trance festivals in the Netherlands are mainly organized by three companies ID&T, UDC and Q-Dance:

• Tiësto In Concert Arnhem25,000 visitors): is a gig only performance by Tiësto. Organized by ID&T. It is held in the Gelredome Arnhem.
• Armin Only, Ahoy, Rotterdam: the only DJ to mix at this event is the very popular Armin van Buuren. Organized by UDC. (Armin Only 2008 was held in the Jaarbeurs Utrecht, Utrecht.)
• Full On Ferry, Ahoy Rotterdam: Ferry Corsten plays back 2 back with DJs who also cover various other styles such as house, techno and progressive (trance). Such DJs are hand-picked by Ferry himself, as an ode to his long career of producer of many different styles in the process.
• Mystery Land, Floriade Park Haarlemmermeer (60,000 visitors) : an (not trance only) outdoor festival organized by ID&T.
• Dance Valley, Spaarnwoude (55,000 - 90,000 visitors): an (not trance only) outdoor festival organized by UDC.
• Qlimax, Gelredome, Arnhem (25,000 visitors): a Hardstyle, Hard Trance event which has been gaining in popularity recently. Renowned for its impressive laser show. Organized by Q-Dance.
• Sensation, Amsterdam Arena (80,000 visitors on two nights). Not a trance-only festival, many genres such as house and hardstyle coexist. Famous for the venue (a football stadium) and the lightshow. Organized by ID&T.
• Trance Energy, Jaarbeurs, Utrecht (30,000 visitors): a festival which features only trance music, and very popular for diehard fans of trance. Many well-received DJs have played sets at this event, helping to create its fame. Organized by ID&T.
• ImPulsTanz Festival, At the Brabanthallen,'s-Hertogenbosch ( 20,000 visitors ) which started as a try-out, became a festival well known, in the BeNeLux countries, France and Germany.

United Kingdom

• Global Gathering festival, promoted by the Angel Music Group. The weekend long Global Gathering held every summer features the Godskitchen arena as its centerpiece, showcasing the best trance and techno acts in the world and attracting 45,000 people between a Friday afternoon and a Sunday morning. The organization promotes other stadium trance events under the Godskitchen brand, the largest being Godskitchen: A Gift From The Gods which brought 12,000 revelers to the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham UK back in April 2003.
• Cream's annual Creamfields festival has also showcased an 10,000 capacity trance arena for the last 8 years at various venues across the United Kingdom.
• Gatecrasher also promote sporadic events and have in the past also used venues such as Birmingham N.E.C. Gatecrasher is currently on hiatus until further notice due to fire damage.
• South West Four held every summer has come a long way since beginning as a backyard party it found its home on Clapham Common, London.It moved to Cardiff in 2006.
• PlanetLove, Northern Ireland also has had a thriving trance scene since the early 90's, at the legendary Kelly's Complex in Portrush, shooting local trance pioneers such as DJs X-ray & Si into the Northern Ireland Dance Music Hall of Fame. PlanetLove holds a yearly festival in both the North and South of Ireland, and numerous other events on a smaller scale. Major DJs have performed at PlanetLove events such as Judge Jules, Armin van Buuren, Paul van Dyk and Tiesto.

[edit] North America

• DEMF Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Movement), organized by Paxahau, is an annual three day event during the Memorial Day weekend held at Hart Plaza, downtown Detroit. Performances include a variety of prominent international DJ's as well as local talent and original acts, celebrating the city as a birthplace of techno music. The festival usually features about 6 stages. Movement 09 drew 83,000 people.
• Electric Daisy Carnival, by Insomniac Events in Los Angeles (but also held in Denver), combines Exposition Park with the Olympic-sized Los Angeles Coliseum on the last weekend of June annually. In 2009 the festival was split into a two-day event, the latter of which drew in estimated crowds of 90,000.
• Monster Massive, a Los Angeles Sports Arena event held once a year around the night of Halloween. Typically an audience of 15,000+ is present and in 2008 the event was reported to have an attendance of over 65,000.
• Together As One, an annual new year's eve festival held at the Los Angeles Sports Arena. Credited as being the largest new year's dance music event in North America it usually brings in crowds of over 40,000.
• Nocturnal Festival, an annual southern California massive, held at the NOS Events Center in San Bernardino in either August or September. Typically bringing in crowds of over 20,000 although this number has been steadily growing.
• Ultra Music Festival, Miami, Florida, USA: (80,000 visitors): A two day-long event with eleven stages playing various genres of electronic music with the main stage focusing on trance. Famous for their lineup of many relatively well-known DJs along with pyrotechnics and light/laser shows.
• Electric Zoo Festival, by Made Event in New York
• World Electronic Music Festival: held annually in Canada, this three-day-long outdoor event, comprising mainly of Trance, Hard Dance and Jungle (also featuring happy hardcore) has been held for the past thirteen years. The 2008 festival will be the final one in its current form. It is also known as WEMF.
• Winter Music Conference: held annually toward the end of Northern Hemisphere winter in Miami, WMC is a week-long conference and festival featuring many of the hottest DJs in the world each year.
• Love Fest: Held Annually in San Francisco, CA. Formerly known as the Love Parade. Typically an audience of 60,000+ watch the elaborate parade of famous DJs down Market Street to end at San Francisco City Hall for an impromptu dance party. Love Fest is followed by the Official Love Fest afterparty held at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium right next to the San Francisco City Hall. The event normally lasts from 12:00pm noon until 4:00am the next day. Many other events lead up to the main event throughout the week with guest DJs playing at many of the clubs.
• USC: Held annually in Seattle, WA (Typically 7,000 - 10,000 attendees). USC is the American northwest's biggest trance/electronic music event. 2007's event featured three stages with Paul van Dyk as the headliner. 2008's event featured DJs Tiesto, BT, DJ Dan, and Donald Glaude. The event is typically a summer event that lasts from 9 PM - 10 AM with the last six hours dedicated to an after party. The event also showcases the top local DJs.
• Global Dance Festival: Held annually at Red Rocks Amphitheatre outside Denver, CO. Typically 10,000+ attendees watch approximately 7 hour event featuring many well-known DJ's. Headliners in past years have included Paul Van Dyk, Tiesto, Armin Van Buuren, and Ferry Corsten. Sasha and John Digweed headlined the 2009 show.
• Bal en Blanc: is a huge rave party that is hosted annually, in April during Easter holiday weekend, in Montreal, Canada. It features headliner DJs from all over the world and attracts over 15,000 attendees. This event usually has two separate rooms, one catering to house music and the other to trance music. It usually lasts for more than 14 hours. April 2009 15th anniversary line up: Insomnia, Markus Schulz, Above and Beyond, Armin Van Buuren, Roger Shah, King Louis, Uppercut, Offer Nissim, Ana Paula, Axwell, Deadmau5, Victor Calderone.

[edit] Other

• Portugal: Boom Festival (the last edition was in Idanha-a-Nova) since 1997. This event is an outdoor festival running every two years with a duration of several days, focusing in psychedelic goa trance. The festival also features workshops, presentations, and cinema.
• Germany: Full Moon Trance Festival This event is held during July 7-12th between the cities of Wittstock and Roebel, Germany. This festival celebrates psychedelic trance. In the year 2006 trance artists such as: Infected Mushroom, Astral Projection, Astrix, Space Tribe, 1200 Mics, GMS, Etnica, Oforia, Atomic Pulse, Electric Universe and Parasense plus many others were lined up to play.[1]. VuuV Festival is an international gathering for trance music lovers from all over the world held in Germany. Its primary focus is Goa trance making it the mother of all Goa festivals.
• Switzerland: Street Parade - the worlds biggest electronic music festival (more than one million visitors attend this event year by year).
• Australia: Ultraworld and Universe Kryal Castle, Ballarat, Victoria, a 12 hour long event, comprising mainly Hardstyle, Hard Dance and Hard Trance (also featuring happy hardcore) event held in a replicated medieval castle.
• Jordan - Middle East Prana Petra Festival A majestical setting for a trance event in the ancient city of Petra, took place 2 years ago with DJ TIESTO Elements of Life with several thousands of ravers attending this massive event, celebrating Petra as one of the new world wonders.
• Jordan - Middle East Distant Heat Festival An annual electronic dance festival that takes place in the majestic Wadi Rum and the seaside resort town of Aqaba. It takes place on July 31st and August 1st for two whole days of partying. DJs from Jordan, the Middle East and around the world participate in this unique dance festival. Some famous artists who participate in the festival are Armin Van Buuren and Ferry Corsten.
• India: Sunburn Festival launched in December 2007 as South Asia's first electronic music festival, and featured heavyweights like Carl Cox and John '00' Fleming. Located seaside in Goa, on India's west coast, the festival has its roots in Goa trance. Sunburn treated more than 5,000 electro revelers to a three-day party by the beach in December 2008. At the 2009 festival, heavyweights such as Armin Van Buuren, Roger Sanchez, and Sander van Doorn participated with audience numbers running between 15,000 to 18,000 making it the biggest edition yet.

Many other countries lack such festivals due to legal restrictions. Public prosecution departments in many countries — notably France — have been reluctant to give permits for techno and trance events, due to perceived drug issues.[citation needed] In the past, ID&T has been expanding operations and begun to organize festivals in Belgium and Germany which have become very popular in these countries. More recently (2008) ID&T is planning the Sensation World Tour in Chile, China, Poland, Czech Republic, Dubai & more to follow. Sensation white is more about the show and the performances surrounding the event where as ID&T's Trance Energy is about the DJ's.Trance Elements discusses details about Sensation White & Black and the future planning of this global phenomena.

I may not like your style but you bring lots of information to the discussion!

[grapico]

Originally Posted by californio sur

I may not like your style but you bring lots of information to the discussion!

actually he owned himself in that post. and just got owned a few posts up, but he is a big believer in "facts" right...

[Hendu]

Originally Posted by carverR

I am impressed both with your wit and ignorance. Not sure which impresses me more. I can see you don't have any more arguments. Good

Well you know the old memes...the camera adds 10 pounds and the internet adds a couple years of DJ experience.

[tmac9wr]

Originally Posted by carverR

It is wrong because it does not agree with what you believe. I am surprised.

Imrpov scene in New York? It's marginal compared to everything else that's happening on NY stages. It's so typical grapico. You attack my opninons and then fail to provide any supporting evidence. You claimed Chicago has cultural elites and then never provided any names besides the president and his secretary of state.

I'd say those are a couple of good examples...

You disputed my assessment that Europe is dancing to trance and not house and never provided any evidence to the contrary. Disputing with you is little strange, grapico. It's seem like you chose what you want to believe instead of relying on facts to make your opinions.

I'll admit I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to deciphering the difference between house, trance, techno, etc...all I know is I love the sound so I listen to it. Either way, you could definitely argue that Deadmau5 is one of the biggest artists, if not the biggest, artists out there at the moment...he's listed as "Progressive House". So while he's still selling out shows all over the world, I'll continue to believe that there is at least a good deal of people still listening to house music.

P.S. Any of you Chicagoans going to Deadmau5 in June at Soldier Field? Tickets are expensive but I think I might try to fly out for it.