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View Poll Results: Milwaukee -vs- St.Louis
Milwaukee The Brew City 75 49.67%
St.Louis The Gateway to the West 76 50.33%
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Mequon
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I know what the STL people are trying to say but you still have to stick to legal city limits when comparing city limits vs city limits. County vs county and metro vs metro. You cannot say STL county vs milwaukee city, it's apples and bowling balls.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: classified
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Where in Missouri have you spent any amount of time?
St. Louis and Springfield

I did not care for the ultraconservative atitude in the Springfield-Branson area.

St. Louis I thought was pretty interesting though.
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:17 PM
 
Location: STL
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How about we compare with some facts, this might settle something:

City (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis---Milwaukee
Population----------------------------------------354,620----582,819
Area in Sq. Miles------------------------------------62.0-------96.0
Population Density (People per Sq. Mile)-------------5,720------6,071
White %-------------------------------------------44.4--------46.8
Black %--------------------------------------------48.4-------38.3
Hispanic %------------------------------------------2.8-------15.7
Asian %---------------------------------------------2.0-------3.2
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %---------24.8-------20.3
Foreign Born %--------------------------------------6.6--------9.5
Households Speak Language Other than English %-----8.9-------18.8
Median Household Income $-------------------------34,074----37,022
Median House Value $------------------------------123,800---142,600
Individuals Below Poverty Line %---------------------23.8-------24.4
Median Age-----------------------------------------36.3-------32.1
Residents >65 Years---------------------------------11.6------12.6

County (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis---Milwaukee
Population----------------------------------------994,098----951,998
Area in Sq. Miles------------------------------------508---------242
Population Density (People per Sq. Mile)-------------1,957-------3,933
White %-------------------------------------------71.9--------58.1
Black %--------------------------------------------21.3--------24.9
Hispanic %------------------------------------------2.2--------11.6
Asian %--------------------------------------------3.1---------3.0
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %--------38.4--------26.2
Foreign Born %-------------------------------------5.8---------8.4
Households Speak Language Other than English %----7.9---------15.5
Median Household Income $------------------------57,528------45,091
Median House Value $-----------------------------180,300-----167,800
Individuals Below Poverty Line %---------------------9.1--------17.4
Median Age----------------------------------------40.5--------35.7
Residents >65 Years--------------------------------14.3-------11.7

Urban Area (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis----Milwaukee
Population--------------------------------------2,102,481---1,328,811
White %-------------------------------------------70.7---------67.5
Black %-------------------------------------------22.8---------18.2
Hispanic %-----------------------------------------2.4----------9.3
Asian %--------------------------------------------2.3----------2.9
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %--------31.8---------30.4
Foreign Born %-------------------------------------5.0----------7.4
Households Speak Language Other than English %----7.1---------12.3
Median Household Income $------------------------52,943------51,556
Median House Value $-----------------------------162,600-----194,700
Individuals Below Poverty Line %--------------------11.9---------13.6
Median Age----------------------------------------37.9---------37.2
Residents >65 Years--------------------------------12.8---------12.5

Metro (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis---Milwaukee
Population---------------------------------------2,803,854--1,543,802
White %-------------------------------------------76.4--------71.4
Black %--------------------------------------------17.9-------15.8
Hispanic %------------------------------------------2.1--------8.2
Asian %---------------------------------------------1.8--------2.6
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %---------28.5-------30.3
Foreign Born %--------------------------------------4.0--------6.8
Households Speak Language Other than English %-----5.9-------12.0
Median Household Income $-------------------------53,434-----54,127
Median House Value $------------------------------158,500---204,300
Individuals Below Poverty Line %---------------------11.3-------12.4
Median Age-----------------------------------------37.8-------37.6
Residents >65 Years---------------------------------12.9-------12.3

Totals
------------St. Louis-Milwaukee
City----------4.0--------9.0
County-------5.0--------8.0
Urban Area---6.0--------6.0
Metro--------4.0--------8.0
Overall-----19.0-------31.0

---Observations---
-The fact that St. Louis city is seperate from St. Louis County negatively affected it in the long-run, especially with "people" stats
-St. Louis is much "bigger"
-Milwaukee is consistently more Hispanic
-Houses prices are higher in Milwaukee
-Milwaukee is younger
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Mequon
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Milwaukee's city population is 604,000 not 584,000.

Milwaukee County 947,000

Milwaukee Metro 2M
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Originally Posted by aaronstlcards View Post
How about we compare with some facts, this might settle something:

City (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis---Milwaukee
Population----------------------------------------354,620----582,819
Area in Sq. Miles------------------------------------62.0-------96.0
Population Density (People per Sq. Mile)-------------5,720------6,071
White %-------------------------------------------44.4--------46.8
Black %--------------------------------------------48.4-------38.3
Hispanic %------------------------------------------2.8-------15.7
Asian %---------------------------------------------2.0-------3.2
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %---------24.8-------20.3
Foreign Born %--------------------------------------6.6--------9.5
Households Speak Language Other than English %-----8.9-------18.8
Median Household Income $-------------------------34,074----37,022
Median House Value $------------------------------123,800---142,600
Individuals Below Poverty Line %---------------------23.8-------24.4
Median Age-----------------------------------------36.3-------32.1
Residents >65 Years---------------------------------11.6------12.6

County (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis---Milwaukee
Population----------------------------------------994,098----951,998
Area in Sq. Miles------------------------------------508---------242
Population Density (People per Sq. Mile)-------------1,957-------3,933
White %-------------------------------------------71.9--------58.1
Black %--------------------------------------------21.3--------24.9
Hispanic %------------------------------------------2.2--------11.6
Asian %--------------------------------------------3.1---------3.0
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %--------38.4--------26.2
Foreign Born %-------------------------------------5.8---------8.4
Households Speak Language Other than English %----7.9---------15.5
Median Household Income $------------------------57,528------45,091
Median House Value $-----------------------------180,300-----167,800
Individuals Below Poverty Line %---------------------9.1--------17.4
Median Age----------------------------------------40.5--------35.7
Residents >65 Years--------------------------------14.3-------11.7

Urban Area (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis----Milwaukee
Population--------------------------------------2,102,481---1,328,811
White %-------------------------------------------70.7---------67.5
Black %-------------------------------------------22.8---------18.2
Hispanic %-----------------------------------------2.4----------9.3
Asian %--------------------------------------------2.3----------2.9
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %--------31.8---------30.4
Foreign Born %-------------------------------------5.0----------7.4
Households Speak Language Other than English %----7.1---------12.3
Median Household Income $------------------------52,943------51,556
Median House Value $-----------------------------162,600-----194,700
Individuals Below Poverty Line %--------------------11.9---------13.6
Median Age----------------------------------------37.9---------37.2
Residents >65 Years--------------------------------12.8---------12.5

Metro (2006-2008 Community Survey)
-------------------------------------------------St. Louis---Milwaukee
Population---------------------------------------2,803,854--1,543,802
White %-------------------------------------------76.4--------71.4
Black %--------------------------------------------17.9-------15.8
Hispanic %------------------------------------------2.1--------8.2
Asian %---------------------------------------------1.8--------2.6
Residents With at Least Bachelor's Degree %---------28.5-------30.3
Foreign Born %--------------------------------------4.0--------6.8
Households Speak Language Other than English %-----5.9-------12.0
Median Household Income $-------------------------53,434-----54,127
Median House Value $------------------------------158,500---204,300
Individuals Below Poverty Line %---------------------11.3-------12.4
Median Age-----------------------------------------37.8-------37.6
Residents >65 Years---------------------------------12.9-------12.3

Totals
------------St. Louis-Milwaukee
City----------4.0--------9.0
County-------5.0--------8.0
Urban Area---6.0--------6.0
Metro--------4.0--------8.0
Overall-----19.0-------31.0

---Observations---
-The fact that St. Louis city is seperate from St. Louis County negatively affected it in the long-run, especially with "people" stats
-St. Louis is much "bigger"
-Milwaukee is consistently more Hispanic
-Houses prices are higher in Milwaukee
-Milwaukee is younger
Good info. Interesting to see a side-by-side comparison of 2 metros with actual numbers and facts, as opposed to conjecture and anecdotal evidence.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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St. Louis
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Milwaukee's city population is 604,000 not 584,000.

Milwaukee County 947,000

Milwaukee Metro 2M
The ACS is about as accurate as you can get without having the 2010 Census results. I've seen sources that list Milwaukee County as having 953,000 with 1.8 million in the metro. We get bumped up to 2.2 million when we include Walworth and Kenosha in the "Milwaukee 7" region, which I think is a better representation than the official 5 county designation.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:43 PM
 
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both cities are have plenty to offer and are much more interesting than 90% of cities in this country. they should stick together rather than try to tear each other down. they both have urban fabric most places would die for.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:47 PM
 
Location: STL
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Originally Posted by Milwaukee City View Post
Milwaukee's city population is 604,000 not 584,000.

Milwaukee County 947,000

Milwaukee Metro 2M

How can you argue facts from the most reliable city stat site (US Census Bureau)? Don't be dillusional, Milwaukee's a great city so I can see why you're repping it, but trying to argue actual, concrete, fact is going too far.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:49 PM
 
Location: STL
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And i'm sorry, I thought layed that data table out absolutely perfectly, but I guess not perfectly enough.
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