DALLAS the Largest Metro in the South "Where's the respect City-Data" (2009, how much)

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Originally Posted by C2H (ComingtoHouston)

I don't see any proof or source for what you claim. So that means that i can say Greater Houston is over 6 mil now.

I'll find a link but I did read a list that had Dallas now over 6.6 million and Houston around 5.9 million.

[kdogg817]

Originally Posted by C2H (ComingtoHouston)

Dallas/Ft Worth is not over 6.5 mil residents. The last est show it barely topping at 6.3 and that's also due to the fact that they've added 4 more counties, the same thing that Houston's annexation gets bashed for.

I also don't understand why the OP has to put down Texas's other large city to make his point about Dallas being so great! It was almost as if it was a small attempt to stir another Dallas/Houston war.

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Ok what I read was from the NCTOG and their estimates as of December 31, 2008 is that DFW has a population of 6,538,850. So not exactly at 6.6 million. If we are to assume that DFW was to continue it's growth 6 months after this estimate, they are probably now very close to 6.6 million now. Oh and the NCTOG and the census bureau basically say the same thing. It's just the census takes their estimate as of July 1 and the NCTOG takes their estimate as of December 31. I did read that Houston has 5.9 million. I'll try to find that as well.

CSAs aren't meant to be used as a measure of "metropolitan" population, though - they are county-based statistical zones in which counties are joined together by commuting patterns. Hence, by CSA standards, Los Angeles stretches to the Nevada border.

Well MSA's follow the same thing. What I think you're' getting at is the UA definition.

[south-to-west]

Dallas is indeed part of the South. When you have numerous schools named after historical Confederate figures, a park named after Robert E Lee, a suburb named after Lee's estate (Arlington), and an annual event named the Cotton Bowl--it's quite apparent that you're in the South. It's not Southeast, but it's the South nonetheless and an important midpoint in the US in regards to transportation, logistics, and commerce.

I think Dallas definitely gets respect on these boards (with the exception of pompous Sunbelt bashers) and people recognize it's contribution to the national economy and infrastructure network. If anything, I think Houston often gets overshadowed--not necessarily on these boards, but definitely in regards to media and public perception. It often gets overshadowed by Dallas. But let's not turn this into a Dallas vs Houston forum. Both are great cities.

[tablemtn]

The latest US Census CSA estimate puts the Dallas-Ft. Worth CSA at 6,498,410 people - this CSA is made up of the following 19 counties:

Collin, Cooke, Dallas, Delta, Denton, Ellis, Fannin, Grayson, Henderson, Hood, Hunt, Johnson, Kaufman, Parker, Palo Pinto, Rockwall, Somervelle, Tarrant, and Wise

The Census CSA boundaries are determined by the boundaries of those counties.

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Originally Posted by tablemtn

The latest US Census CSA estimate puts the Dallas-Ft. Worth CSA at 6,498,410 people - this CSA is made up of the following 19 counties:

Collin, Cooke, Dallas, Delta, Denton, Ellis, Fannin, Grayson, Henderson, Hood, Hunt, Johnson, Kaufman, Parker, Palo Pinto, Rockwall, Somervelle, Tarrant, and Wise

The Census CSA boundaries are determined by the boundaries of those counties.

But that was as of July 1, 2007. The 2008 numbers came out a couple months ago. If DFW continued it's current growth clip into the next year growing at around 130,000 per year like it's been doing the entire decade so far, it's not hard to believe DFW would be at 6.6 million right now.

[tablemtn]

I really don't see Dallas-Ft. Worth as part of the south. For one thing, the Hispanic population of the metroplex is over 20%, which gives the area its own character that is a mix of great plains, southwestern, and southern. I would argue that Houston isn't part of "the south" either, despite being with a few hours' drive of New Orleans.

[C2H (ComingtoHouston)]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

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No comment because you must know i'm telling the truth.

[tablemtn]

If DFW continued it's current growth clip into the next year growing at around 130,000 per year like it's been doing the entire decade so far, it's not hard to believe DFW would be at 6.6 million right now.

It's possible, but that would be the population in the 19 CSA counties, which extend to the Oklahoma border. There is some over-breadth in those numbers in terms of "metro area population," as opposed to what the CSA is intended to measure.

[south-to-west]

Originally Posted by tablemtn

I really don't see Dallas-Ft. Worth as part of the south. For one thing, the Hispanic population of the metroplex is over 20%, which gives the area its own character that is a mix of great plains, southwestern, and southern. I would argue that Houston isn't part of "the south" either, despite being with a few hours' drive of New Orleans.

The Hispanic population is booming all across the South. I don't think the size of Hispanic population is any indicator of whether a place is Southern or not--no more than Chicago's large Hispanic population dilutes its Midwestern character. If you ask any native Texan, they will more than likely refer to themselves as Southerners if you ask then which region they identify with the most. It's hisotry is intertwined with Southern history, it's founders were Southerners, it was part of the Confederacy, the native accent resembles other accents in the South, some of the cuisine has Southern roots, it is indeed the South.

I have said this repeatedly time and time again--the South is not monolithic. The Appalachains are different from Charleston which is different from New Orleans, which is different from Atlanta, which is different from Richmond, which is different from Mobile, which is different from Texas. All of these places have their own accents, cultural makeup, and history--but they are all tied together as being Southern.