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Empire State of the South is the official nickname of Georgia. It signifies that this is the largest State East of the Mississippi. Nothing more, nothing less.
Isn't that Michigan? Michigan is the 20th largest state in the Union, and the UP adds significant land area. Now if you are talking about the largest colony, you are correct, I think, although PA or NY may be larger.
Empire State of the South is the official nickname of Georgia. It signifies that this is the largest State East of the Mississippi. Nothing more, nothing less.
You are very correct in the general point you are making, jhohnatl!
As I understand it, the moniker "Empire State of the South" as adopted by the great state of Georgia had its origins in that it was the first of the Old Confederate States to truly embrace a "New South" identity as per urban/industrial development. Without looking again it up to be sure, seems like a guy named Henry Grady coined the term "New South" when speaking to the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce in the early 20th Century. Empire State of the South sorta evolved from there...
But, the term was NEVER intended to be one that severed itself from an historic and cultural connection with her fellow Southern states. The opposite, in fact. Almost like a challenge among siblings and kin to become the best we can be...
Hell, Galveston, Texas, touted itself as "The Wall Street of the South"...with good reason. Rice University in Houston as the "Harvard of the South". This latter quickly lead to a dispute among top rate Southern universities as to which one actually WAS! LOL There was even talk of forming a "Magnolia Conference"! LOL Southern Ivy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyway, like you allude to, the Empire State of the South nickname for Georgia DID recognize an eastern and western South...yet a common connection. Same as did the "western South" creations to advance themselves...
What "bothers" me most on this "(FILL IN THE BLANK) Of the South"...implies the basis of comparrison must be with the North or west coast....
That's a lot of the reason why I started this thread and attack y'all'syez in the south. Your style of poitics and rationalizing is "every man for himself", which in a lot of ways is thinly-veiled cannibalism, and even more so, stupidity and a waste of the naturally beautiful land the south is home to. Do you really think that a wal-mart and a warehouse is more attractive than a farm with rolling acres of peach trees or filled with cows or horses? I don't, and I don't understand why we are starting all over again in a new region for the fun of it when we could just simply use what infastructure we have in the north.
Something I have probably not made clear in my past posts is that I don't really want your suburban crap to come up here, I would just like enough jobs to enable the smart planning of our urban areas that we have on the drawing boards to be implemented. To have our cities' cores to be bustling with life after 5. To breathe new life into beautiful historic districts that at one time hosted the most powerful men and women in America. Basically, to bring our cities back to where theyshould be across the nation, not just south of the Ohio. And when I see your congressmen and other leaders rejoicing that they landed a couple call centers, a few warehouses, and a Fortune 500 company that hasn't been viable in years, and then stuff it in some tackily built golf course "utopia" town, it makes me mad that people actually think this is rational. Yes, that's what America is all about, cannibalizing itself. I guess I'll take the next flight to Vancouver, Sydney, or London (or Tokyo, but I would have to learn Japanese )
And about Japan/China/rest of the freakin' world beating us at every aspect of life.... you are correct. We've been a dying country since the Oil crisis, and that has been accelerated by Bush's policies and conservative ideals like "healthcare is stupid" or "let's build more nukes so we can nuke the whole freakin' world 26 times over instead of 25" or my personal favorite "yes, the ice caps are melting like crazy and every credible scientist that has not been bought off the the Royal Dutch Shell Oil Co says that it exists, but Global Warming is not real. It's God's way of saying we need to drill in AWNR to get more oil to cool our McMansions"
But what's wrong with walmart? Anyways, good post but, you can't expect the south to remain what it was 50yrs ago, and have the whole US rely on the north. How would we know you guys would have our backs? You must understand the whole McMansions thing and lookin out for ourselves is not really a southern problem but rather then a HUMAN problem. How would we know how You guy's would act if the shoe was on the other foot, and the midwest was booming? I can already see that system in cities like Detroit though. How is Detroit one o fthe most violent, poorest, most dangerous cities, yet it has some of the nicest richest safest suburbs? That old McMansion system. Just let the south and the sunbelt grow. It's not our fault the rustbelt is the way it is.
Normally, I would let my arguement go at this point, but this should be fun to dispute. I'll number my arguements to make a rebuttal easier for you.
1. What else is their to take? I mean really? Staying in Dayton, Ohio sometimes feels like being the last one to show up at a "going out of business" sale at the local K-Mart. It is depressing and godawful, and I don't see what we've done to deserve it. Does it feel good to steal our jobs with stimulus money? Do you enjoy rejoicing about all of the new call-centers and warehouses you're building so the mudeaters can come out of their huts in hicklad nearby to take a minimum-wage job at some nicely-landscaped, big-box hellhole? Yes, you stole NCR, and although it was done in an unfair and IMO, ILLEGAL manner, that's okay. It's business. I understand. What I don't understand is how y'all (and yes, I mean all of the citizens in your region without so much as a second thought) can blatantly demoralize another region of the country so ruthlessly, and then complain when we try and defend ourselves. To get an idea of how many rust-belt activists like myself feel, it's kind of like Goliath sitting on David and complaining that he has butt pain when David try to wiggle his way out, so he decides to pick him up and squeese his head until it crushes.
Hasn't your region done enough to us, much less now take the stance as being victim? This attitude is also one that disgusted me about conservatives as well, especially during the Bush administration when they had nothing to worry about.
2. Most likely, you are going to point to taxes and unions as a rebuttal just as every other ignorant southerner on here has done. First off, get some facts, and make sure they are correct. I don't want to read some BS from some Conservative think tank that shuttles money off to Newt Gingrich to fight for gun rights or other crap y'all think is important. I want a non-partisan, reliable, preferrably government source to back up your claims, and no, I will not follow a link. Then we'll talk.
3. Believe it or not, we are making strides. We are being more careful with the type of development we usher in, and many plans take 10+ years to come to fruitition because developers know that any development in this region that will be successful must also be thoroughly planned and quality must be good, because we are a vuyer's market and it is just as easy to use what resources we already have. The south, on the other hand, does not have that luxury, thus allowing for shoddy development, non-existent planning, and pathetic standards. In a lot of ways, it can compare to the quality of China's current building boom and products produced, or that of Post-War (or even pre-war) Detroit when they needed housing fast to house all of the auto workers. Many northeastern communities are well-founded, well-planned, and built with quality, a trend I see my region moving toward.
Okay, that's all I got for now.
I thought you where going to post your side of the argument, all I saw was a rambling, deranged rant.
Are you actually delusional enough to try and blame the south for your areas demise?
Should anyone other state lookout for another before themselves. I am pretty sure the politicians elected in a state are there for the purpose of building their own state.
There really is nothing else in your post to reply to.
I thought you where going to post your side of the argument, all I saw was a rambling, deranged rant.
Are you actually delusional enough to try and blame the south for your areas demise?
Should anyone other state lookout for another before themselves. I am pretty sure the politicians elected in a state are there for the purpose of building their own state.
There really is nothing else in your post to reply to.
I agree. The South exploded because of lack of unions, better taxes, and low cost of living. We did nothing to steal Midwestern jobs. They dug their own hole.
I agree. The South exploded because of lack of unions, better taxes, and low cost of living. We did nothing to steal Midwestern jobs. They dug their own hole.
Teachers in Florida belong to the NEA. Even Paras have a union.
Originally Posted by Daytonnatian
Normally, I would let my arguement go at this point, but this should be fun to dispute. I'll number my arguements to make a rebuttal easier for you.
1. What I don't understand is how y'all (and yes, I mean all of the citizens in your region without so much as a second thought) can blatantly demoralize another region of the country so ruthlessly, and then complain when we try and defend ourselves. To get an idea of how many rust-belt activists like myself feel, it's kind of like Goliath sitting on David and complaining that he has butt pain when David try to wiggle his way out, so he decides to pick him up and squeese his head until it crushes.
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I've posted this before, I regret that I do it again. We've blantantly demoralized the North? Complained when you defended yourselves? Calling us Goliath to your David? I don't know if anyone else sees the humor (unintentional, I'm sure) in this post, I did. For over 100 years we were the whipping boy of this great country. I don't want the North to be the whipping boy. As thin-skinned as you seem to be, I'm not sure you could survive over 100 years of being treated as the South has/is. 100 years of, you married your, sister/brother/cousin? Are those your real teeth? Do you wear shoes? I've never been asked any of these questions, but they have been asked.
The OT topic was about the SUNBelt, yet this has turned in another battle of North versus South. Again, I ask you. Is CALIFORNIA the SOUTH? This, in my opinion, is about WEATHER. Cold versus Heat. Sun versus Rain versus Snow.
I even got blasted for saying I preferred Northern CALIFORNIA to Southern CALIFORNIA. Oh, I made a bad remark about the "south". Hey, Californians did you know you are now part of the SOUTH?
The OT topic was about the SUNBelt, yet this has turned in another battle of North versus South. Again, I ask you. Is CALIFORNIA the SOUTH? This, in my opinion, is about WEATHER. Cold versus Heat. Sun versus Rain versus Snow.
I even got blasted for saying I preferred Northern CALIFORNIA to Southern CALIFORNIA. Oh, I made a bad remark about the "south". Hey, Californians did you know you are now part of the SOUTH?
Give me a break.
LOL, I lived in Central Florida and Southern California, trust me California is nothing like the south!
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