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View Poll Results: Suburban Metro Detroit or Suburban Minneapolis/St. Paul?
Suburban Detroit 58 55.24%
Suburban Minneapolis/St. Paul 47 44.76%
Voters: 105. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-09-2009, 12:04 PM
Location: Midwest
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I've mention before how I wouldn't have been surprise of Detroit would be a Minneapolis/ St. Paul ( a guess Winsdor Canada as the St. Paul) if it would of had went in a different direction than the position it is now. I easily voted for minneapolis/ St. Paul suburbs over Detroit metro, I'm not attracted to Detroit nor it's metro. I've been within Detroit metro multiple times and have not been pleased.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:41 PM
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by US-Traveller View Post
I lived in Oakland County for a short time in 2007-2008. I agree that the politics of Michigan and especially Wayne County are very disfunctional. I hope I don't get heat for this, but the problem is that Wayne County has too many African-Americans, whom are poor, uneducated, and vote in blocks of 98/100 for Democratic candidates that mess up the area.

I think that Oakland County itself has a bright future, unless it continues its trend of becoming more pro-union and Democratic. The car companies and other high-tech corporations have large investments in the area. Oakland County also boasts top educational institutions and some of the wealthiest enclaves in America.

Michigan will turn around. It'll take some time, but it will happen, sooner if the politics get in order.
What Michigan really needs to do is stop the brain drain and start making serious attempts to diversify the economy. When I lived there, the geniuses decided that "diversify the economy" meant creating engineering jobs that developed the robots to work in the auto plants! They need to focus on getting an economy that is not entirely dependent on the auto industry. Directly or indirectly, auto jobs cannot be relied upon for a sustainable future.

The turnaround for Detroit may or may not happen, but that doesn't excuse Oakland County from not stepping up to create their own economy instead of just being a bedroom community for Detroit. Michigan needs Oakland and Macomb to step up and West Michigan to step up a bit more as well. Wayne and Gennesse may be doomed, but the rest of the state has got to step up if there is going to be a turnaround.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:50 PM
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Detroit suburbs by a lot.

That's where most of the money is too!
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:11 PM
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Detroit is my hometown, where I spent the first 18 years of my life. I don't hide that I *do* hold a very critical view of that city, and the state government there.

With that being said, suburban Detroit is quite nice, and in my opinion one of the most attractive areas of the Midwest (provided you have a steady job, an increasing rarity in Michigan.) I particularly like parts of Oakland County. The layout is attractive and the quality of neighborhoods is superb, with great homes available for very reasonable prices. The incomes and educational attainment indicators are the best in the state.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:18 AM
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Suburban Detroit has a more affluent population, a larger market size and better shopping. So I choose Detroit. As the center city goes, Minneapolis does a good job in filling office space downtown and has an above average economy, but other things in downtown really don't come along so I don't see the appeal of it.

In the future this might change though. The economy in Detroit is so bad the whole metro is losing population, not only the city of Detroit. On the other hand the Twin Cities are gaining population at a steady rate.

Originally Posted by US-Traveller View Post
Both of these large metropolitan areas have very nice suburbs. Detroit has the Grosse Pointes, Bloomfield Hills, Oakland County, Northville, Novi, and Rochester. Minneapolis/St. Paul has Edina, Chanhassen, Eden Prairie, Deephaven, Orono, Wayzata, and Woodland. In your opinion which has nicer suburban areas, Detroit or Minneapolis/St. Paul?

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Old 07-10-2009, 10:03 AM
Location: Columbus OH
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I've read several references to how affluent the Detroit suburbs are over Mpls, how about some statistics???

According to Wikipedia, citing data from the census, the Mpls-St. Paul MSA has a substantially higher median HH income than Detroit, with the Twin Cities ranking 4th in the US versus 16th for Detroit. The suburbs of the Twin Cities, like the suburbs of Detroit include a mix of pre-war communities with their own downtowns that evolved into suburbs (Wayzata, Excelsior, Hopkins, Anoka, White Bear Lake in the twin Cities), along with typical post-war 1950s-1960s style suburbs with grid or curvilear streets (St. Louis park, Bloomington, Richfield, Roseville) as well as the McMansion-filled cul-de-sac oriented 'burbs of the '90s (Maple Grove, Lakeville). I've seen basically the same counterparts in Detroit. Royal Oak is pretty cool. I've spent time in Taylor and Sterling Heights and it seemed ok, but not very interesting.

If I had to choose, I'd opt for the Twin Cities suburbs as they are better connected with the inner city here via extensive bike and roller blading paths, and also are adjacent to stronger central cities.

Metropolitan statistical areas ranked by median household income

Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area Population Median
Household Income 1 San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA 7,239,362 $63,024 2 Washington–Baltimore, DC–MD–VA–WV CMSA 7,608,070 $57,291 3 Anchorage, AK MSA 260,283 $55,546 4 Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN–WI MSA 3,368,806 $54,304 5 Boston–Worcester–Lawrence, MA–NH–ME–CT CMSA 5,819,101 $52,792 6 Hartford, CT MSA 1,183,110 $52,188 7 Atlanta, GA MSA 4,112,198 $51,948 8 Honolulu, HI MSA 876,156 $51,914 9 Rochester, MN MSA 124,277 $51,316 10 Denver–Boulder–Greeley, CO CMSA 2,581,506 $51,088 11 Chicago–Gary–Kenosha, IL–IN–WI CMSA 9,157,540 $51,046 12 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island, NY–NJ–CT–PA CMSA 21,199,865 $50,795 13 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA CMSA 3,554,760 $50,733 14 New London–Norwich, CT–RI MSA 293,566 $49,283 15 Madison, WI MSA 426,526 $49,223 16 Detroit–Ann Arbor–Flint, MI CMSA 5,456,428 $49,160 17 Austin–San Marcos, TX MSA 1,249,763 $48,950
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:53 AM
Location: Winnetka, IL & Rolling Hills, CA
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Detroit's suburbs are wealthier overall than Minneapolis'. Remember that Bloomfield Hills, for decades, was the wealthiest community in America.
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:57 AM
Location: West Michigan
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Heh heh. Detroit is winning one of these for polls once. Kind of like getting beat up by a girl, eh Twin Cities?
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:34 AM
Location: Brooklyn
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The main problem is that when you get right down to it...a battle of suburbs?
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Old 08-04-2009, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by michigan83 View Post
Heh heh. Detroit is winning one of these for polls once. Kind of like getting beat up by a girl, eh Twin Cities?
Not really, I can still live in the City of Minneapolis and have a half-way functioning school system that has yet to go bankrupt. Seriously, you are debating which million-dollar suburbs are nicer when Detroit cut off her nose to spite her face. "Welcome to our glorious suburbs, we now have a freeway to get you to Cabo and back without having to see our squalor." To be more accurate, it is like getting chewed out by a senile old man who unwittingly shat in his pants -- the guy who you turn away from to laugh at.
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