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Old 07-10-2009, 05:37 PM
 
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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Well since people want to get technical with music. Joe Tex (from TX) originally coined the term "rap" in which he would speak over his songs.

http://txhome.org/home/Joe%20Tex.pdf
 
Old 07-10-2009, 07:36 PM
 
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That's your version and there are many depending to whom you talk....... The undeniable fact is New York developed something new and the rest of the world including LA simply copied it. Can you live with that?
I actually have to disagree here. If LA had actually copied it, the East Coast wouldn't have been giving LA so much flack for making something different that wasn't "real hip hop" in the eyes of the critics. LA did its own version of hip hop, just like Queens and the rest of NY did after following the Bronx's lead. Every single hip hop artist in world that wasn't from the South Bronx in 1977 is a copycat following that logic. And that obviously isn't the reality.

NYC is where a musical genre originated. LA contributed to the genre, but did it differently and took a lot of negative criticism for it. You can hardly call that copying it.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 07:38 PM
 
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Well considering hip hop is the biggest component of modern black culture,nuff said. But fashion for two
People in LA dress VERY differently from people in NYC. At least when it comes to the hip hop style of dress. I haven't been to LA recently so MAYBE there is a bit more similarity now, but in the past haters from NY were bashing LA for wearing locs, khaki suits, chucks and jheri curls. LA was doing its own thing fashion-wise before. Now it seems to me that any similarity would come from much of the country conforming to the current trends (like those freakin scarves everyone wears).

Though I gotta say NYC is the most influential American city fashion-wise. And Yankees hats can be found anywhere, more than any other team. But LA tends to have its own styles that NYC doesn't usually influence.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 07:44 PM
 
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But New Orleanians aren't going around saying everybody copied us. Same with Mississippians with blues. Two parts of music that New York owes it's hip hop roots too. We know hip hop started in New York. We respect that. That's as far as it will go. As far as LA, yes hip hop is big in LA amongst Blacks. It's not the only big thing in LA though. But the fact remains, the western part of the South is more influenced by LA than it is NY.
Exactly! Great post.

And if the argument is going to be that LA "copied" NYC by participating in hip hop, then at the same time look at the fact that (as some of us have already discussed in another thread) NYC copied LA's gangs, which in many, many ways would be associated with hip hop. Except there was actual "copying" going on in this case. So if someone is going to claim that one copied the other, then the favor has already been returned. Personally, I highly disagree with that claim tho. If NYC began a movement and culture that was intended to spread, LA would basically be required to participate and assist being that its the next largest city in the nation. I don't know why proper due can't be paid to both cities (or many other places when NY is involved).
 
Old 07-10-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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Exactly! Great post.

And if the argument is going to be that LA "copied" NYC by participating in hip hop, then at the same time look at the fact that (as some of us have already discussed in another thread) NYC copied LA's gangs, which in many, many ways would be associated with hip hop. Except there was actual "copying" going on in this case. So if someone is going to claim that one copied the other, then the favor has already been returned. Personally, I highly disagree with that claim tho. If NYC began a movement and culture that was intended to spread, LA would basically be required to participate and assist being that its the next largest city in the nation. I don't know why proper due can't be paid to both cities (or many other places when NY is involved).
Exactly. If hip hop was only meant for hip hop to stay in NY, then it should have done everything within their power to stay in NY. But it wasn't and partly because many of the parts of the genre comes from Blues and Jazz which neither does not originate in NY.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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Exactly. If hip hop was only meant for hip hop to stay in NY, then it should have done everything within their power to stay in NY. But it wasn't and partly because many of the parts of the genre comes from Blues and Jazz which neither does not originate in NY.
What? No music style is meant or stays in only one place. Do you know of any that has? The fact is however that it is being invented in a single place and other musicians in other locations then copy the style and possibly expand adding new elements. That's history of music.
No, hip-hop was not meant to stay in New York, it was in fact so good that it got picked up by musicians everywhere, undeniably though it was born in the Bronx and it's purest form it is the old New York rap.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Exactly. If hip hop was only meant for hip hop to stay in NY, then it should have done everything within their power to stay in NY. But it wasn't and partly because many of the parts of the genre comes from Blues and Jazz which neither does not originate in NY.
The South Killed Hip Hop.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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The South Killed Hip Hop.
Point proven.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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New York gets its fashion trends from London. That retro look is nothing, but something brought back form the 80s and 90s.

Nice try do not make laugh.... As you may know almost all the namebrands are from NYC. Fubu, Sean John, the headquarters for Coogi is located in NYC, Roca Wear, etc... So...
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