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Mass also has lots of beaches and access to two great cities, one of them actually being in the state. It also has it's own sports teams in all three sports.
And it is only slightly larger than NJ
New Jersey has some decent things, such as access to NYC, and Cape May, but also has, arguably , some of the least attractive cities in the nation. Indeed, when talking about such gems as Camden and Trenton, the word "beautiful" should never be used.
I'll take the natural beauty of New England, with the forests and lakes of MA, VT, NH and ME ( all close by) over that of the Mid-Atlantic any day.
New Jersey has some decent things, such as access to NYC, and Cape May, but also has, arguably , some of the least attractive cities in the nation. Indeed, when talking about such gems as Camden and Trenton, the word "beautiful" should never be used.
I'll take the natural beauty of New England, with the forests and lakes of MA, VT, NH and ME ( all close by) over that of the Mid-Atlantic any day.
You realize that the crappy cities of Camden and Trenton are TINY, right? Like a few square miles. 90% of NJ is very attractive aesthetically. I seriously know nobody who ever goes to Trenton, Camden, or Paterson, for anything.
If you're bringing up the insignificant cities of Camden and Trenton...then I'll bring up the insignificant city of Springfield, MA. Is that an asset to the state of MA?
You realize that the crappy cities of Camden and Trenton are TINY, right? Like a few square miles. 90% of NJ is very attractive aesthetically. I seriously know nobody who ever goes to Trenton, Camden, or Paterson, for anything.
If you're bringing up the insignificant cities of Camden and Trenton...then I'll bring up the insignificant city of Springfield, MA. Is that an asset to the state of MA?
...but it's still quite a few notches above Camden and Trenton; and ,Trenton is your STATE CAPITAL, not an insignificant little backwater town; you'd think that some attempt at urban renewal might be in order, especially for the state's capital city.
I have no real ax to grind against NJ;( I actually go to a few Devil games every year), but it's just not going to win an "attractiveness" contest against MA, and New England.
The two states with some of the highest taxes, The two states with some of the highest levels of education, The two states with some of the highest incomes, and the two states with an Atlantic Ocean shore line.
Which will it be if you were to pick which is better?
After reading through this thread I think BOTH sides make alot of sense. These two states are pretty close in my mind.
1. If just comparing on a strictly state to state basis I would say MASSACHUSETTS wins over New Jersey for a number of reasons. For example the Berkshires are higher than the Jersey Highlands and they are more isolated for a better "getting away" feeling. Also while the Jersey Coast is famous (and warmer), I like the less developed and more natural coast of Massachusetts better.
2. But if we add location of the state to the equation than NEW JERSEY wins. New Jersey itself offers alot but when you add in easy access to nearby cities and natural areas you have a clear winner. Instead of the Berkshires for instance, New Jersey residents pretty much treat the Poconoes and the Catskills as their home turf.
New Jersey has some decent things, such as access to NYC, and Cape May, but also has, arguably , some of the least attractive cities in the nation. Indeed, when talking about such gems as Camden and Trenton, the word "beautiful" should never be used.
I'll take the natural beauty of New England, with the forests and lakes of MA, VT, NH and ME ( all close by) over that of the Mid-Atlantic any day.
Off topic here but the next time you look across Lake Champlain and see those lofty mountains called the Adirondacks---remember those mountains, 6 million acres of forests and 3,000 lakes are in the.....Mid-Atlantic!
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Crushed theories? Denial?
