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Old 07-29-2009, 01:46 PM
 
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Now back to the topic of the thread. Sorry for the emotional spammer whos been following from thread to thread.

Secession bill introduced in New York State Senate

Should upstate New York go its own way? And what would we call ourselves — Upstatonia? Newer York? Adirondackiana?

These are just a few of the questions raised by a bill recently introduced by a handful of Republican state senators calling for a referendum that would ask, “Do you support the division of New York into two separate states?"

The bill, which you can read in its entirety after the jump, is co-sponsored by Joseph Robach (R-56th District), William Larkin (R-39th District), Michael Ranzenhofer (R-61st District), James Seward (R-51st District) and Dale Volker (R-59th District). Coincidentally, all are upstate legislators and represent largely rural districts.

And now, with much of Western NY in pretty much of a permanent recession, these areas need downstate more than ever. However, I think it is high time to discuss ways of rebooting the State's economic priorities to help give Western NY/upstate a needed shot in the arm.
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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I am not qualified to answer this question. But even if NYS were to split into two. Would the local governements, taxes and policies shrink as a result? I can't imagine unions leaders wanting to pack up and leave.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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I am not qualified to answer this question. But even if NYS were to split into two. Would the local governements, taxes and policies shrink as a result? I can't imagine unions leaders wanting to pack up and leave.

Many of these folks are under the impression that welfare in NYC is why taxes are so high in western NY.

These would be the same KIND of people who think that Sibleys and McCurdys went out of business because of the Black/Hispanic kids catching the buses downtown.

What they fail to realize is that their problems are local and the people they continue to elect are not their advocates.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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I am not qualified to answer this question. But even if NYS were to split into two. Would the local governements, taxes and policies shrink as a result? I can't imagine unions leaders wanting to pack up and leave.
Many western NYer pay very high property taxes for their local school systems. These taxes have nothing to do with NYC.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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Thanks CaseyB
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:15 PM
 
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Many western NYer pay very high property taxes for their local school systems. These taxes have nothing to do with NYC.
but a large chunk of the school money goes to state mandates that have nothing to do with the local school system. Taxes can be lowered some on a local level, but the bulk of it comes from state mandates that we didn't ask for.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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but a large chunk of the school money goes to state mandates that have nothing to do with the local school system. Taxes can be lowered some on a local level, but the bulk of it comes from state mandates that we didn't ask for.

Prove it.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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Prove it.

There have been articles in NY papers citing unfunded mandates as one of the biggest reasons for high education costs. Local costs such as useless performing arts centers or sports fields contribute, but overall, a good chunk of the costs go to teachers; giving out crazy benefits. The union is a state union, not a local one. We can cut down on a large chunk of the cost by cutting down on generous benefits given to teahers.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:44 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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London to be the financial capital? New York City is still wealthier.

New York State (sans NYC) is poor and quite frankly a worthless state with severe population issues. You might as well live in Alabama. It's about time to get that through your head and control your obvious jealousy. Shouldn't you be grateful of that big fat welfare check sent upstate via the Big Apple? You certainly don't seem like it.
London doesnt have anything on the level of wall street- the nyse or the nasdaq. Nyc runs londons exchanges with its firms, ....k london. They had a party and everything, talking about how they were the financial capitol. They just got that what like 10, 5 years ago? Well whoopty freaking doo. How long has nyc had that title, what, for like 80 years. Didnt we lose the world trade center for that to happen? We'll get it back

oligarch is right. You upstaters should be proud such greatness exist within your state and is associated with the new york name. For real. Dont nyc give the state more money than it gets back anyway.Aint new york state like on a nebraska, north dakota level without us? Upstaters are delusional
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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There have been articles in NY papers citing unfunded mandates as one of the biggest reasons for high education costs. Local costs such as useless performing arts centers or sports fields contribute, but overall, a good chunk of the costs go to teachers; giving out crazy benefits. The union is a state union, not a local one. We can cut down on a large chunk of the cost by cutting down on generous benefits given to teahers.

Yes, the local politicians are always blaming unfunded mandates but they never quantify these mandates.
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