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For decades Staten Island has been "threatening" to seceed from NYC to become their own state, or even annex to New Jersey. Crazy. They, and upstate, would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. If you can benefit from NYC, why would you want to leave? There are more benefits than negatives.
and milesbloodaxe, its not just local politicians blaming unfunded mandates, Peterson also blames the mandates. Taken from an article in the Gouverneour Times:
“It’s time to put the brakes on the spiraling cost of property taxes by taking a close look at unfunded mandates that are handed down from the State to local governments, and in turn drive up the cost of property taxes for New Yorkers across the State,”
Many western NYer pay very high property taxes for their local school systems. These taxes have nothing to do with NYC.
Thats not what I had ment. Alot of local unions and leaders that "take care of" upstate NY may want to stay if the state were to split. I'm thinking the same problems may still exist, just a thought.
and milesbloodaxe, its not just local politicians blaming unfunded mandates, Peterson also blames the mandates. Taken from an article in the Gouverneour Times:
“It’s time to put the brakes on the spiraling cost of property taxes by taking a close look at unfunded mandates that are handed down from the State to local governments, and in turn drive up the cost of property taxes for New Yorkers across the State,â€
Sound like very effective political jargon. How much of each local property tax dollar goes towards unfunded mandates from Albany.
Its hard to get the numbers but politician after politician all over the state cites unfunded mandates as a large contributor. Do you have any proof to the contrary?
Ignoring the delusional impressions that some NYC residents (or outsiders) have of Upstate, clearly my remark about London was not understood.
In the 19th century, London was the financial capital of the world. Period.
New York City - for now - occupies the position that London (and Amsterdam before it) formerly had.
New York City will not make it through the first half of this current century as the world's financial capital. Sorry to burst your self-important bubble.
Ignoring the delusional impressions that some NYC residents (or outsiders) have of Upstate, clearly my remark about London was not understood.
In the 19th century, London was the financial capital of the world. Period.
New York City - for now - occupies the position that London (and Amsterdam before it) formerly had.
New York City will not make it through the first half of this current century as the world's financial capital. Sorry to burst your self-important bubble.
I am kind of disappointed, you sound almost gleeful.
Its hard to get the numbers but politician after politician all over the state cites unfunded mandates as a large contributor. Do you have any proof to the contrary?
For every state mandate there is probably a dozen Federal ones. If the state does not do what the Federal governement wants than we would lose alot of Federal grant money. Not only New York but other states have been complaining.
My point is simply Tax breaks aren't going to dramatically alter the condition of upstate NY. Taxes are not the cause of the decline of Upstate NY, snow is. People are just moving away from snow and they aren't coming back. And they are taking their businesses with them. Upstate was nationally relevant during the Erie/Barge Canal era as the center of the country, but it's just not anymore. My opin is just that a mere tax break is not going to attract Bloomberg to move his financial network to Albany to save 5%. He and others like him feel is is well worth the extra money to live their lives in the thriving culture of NYC. NYC is worth the money, Upsate is not worth the savings. If they want to save 5% they can do that in Dallas or Atlanta where at least they don't have to shovel.
Snow? Are you serious? You think the industrial base of upstate NY declined because of snow? Upstate has no more snow today than it had 50-100-150 years ago. Sure, retirees often move for weather, but the rest of us move where the economic opportunities are. You think people originally settled Buffalo because they liked the weather?
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Are you serious? You think the industrial base of upstate NY declined because of snow? Upstate has no more snow today than it had 50-100-150 years ago. Sure, retirees often move for weather, but the rest of us move where the economic opportunities are. You think people originally settled Buffalo because they liked the weather? 
