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View Poll Results: Which is more urban?
Boston 72 63.72%
DC 41 36.28%
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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WHO CARES!!!!? That neighborhood is 0.87 sm! Not even ONE SQUARE MILE. I can't believe you DMV posters! Don't act as tho DC is an apartment city, it has many apartments, Philly does too. Ever been to city ave?! If DC's was such an apartment city, then by dint it play with the big digs Boaton, Philly, And SF.

Look. I understand dc is growing... I do. But your overrating it.

As for overstating it, if you look at building permits, you can see I am not overstating it.

Philadelphia (135.1 sq. miles) in 2012 had:

Amount of units total for buildings with 5 or more units = 1,187
Total buildings of 5 or more units = 41 buildings
For an average of = 29 units per building rounded up

Total units for all types of buildings = 2,175 units
Amount of building permits for buildings with less than 5 units = 988 units





Washington D.C. (61 sq. miles) in 2012 had:

Amount of units total for buildings with 5 or more units = 3,484
Total buildings of 5 or more units = 19 buildings
For an average of = 183 units per building rounded down

Total units for all types of buildings = 3,823 units
Amount of units for buildings with less than 5 units = 339 units



As you can see, D.C. is getting increasingly urban and dense building massive buildings. Philadelphia is mainly renovating what is already there. Nothing wrong with that but the two cities are clearly headed in different directions. There is a ton of vacant property to fill in Philly which will repopulate the city, but will not make the cities built environment more urban. D.C. on the other hand has a housing shortage an is out of space. That makes for a Manhattan problem going forward. We have to go up everywhere across the whole city.

Even being half the size of Philadelphia, you can see D.C. had only a handful of permits for rowhomes. The city is headed for large massive apartment buildings everywhere so the D.C. you may remember is no more. Some people think that is a good thing and some think it's not. I like density so I love it.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You really should do us all a favor and take a picture of that. Would be interesting to see.
There actually are cranes everywhere. MDAllStar exaggerates about a lot of things (i.e., hundreds of Go-Go shows per night), but he's right about the cranes part.

http://pcj.typepad.com/photos/uncate...ldg_cranes.jpg

http://www.joshuateets.com/wp-conten...e2b7500819.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-3lUhdRn_Eag/UG...jpg?imgmax=800

So long Chocolate City. Hello Neapolitan.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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MDallStar: Thanks for posting that. I see now the direction each are going. Both are booming! And the 100 apartments D.C are building ahead of Philly, Philly makes up for it with the 800 row homes. Makes ALLLOT of sense, while D.C builds less, it's effective and increase density dramatically, while Philly is Building more in spots, but fits one family while apartments fit more. So in reality they build differently, but both gain much!

Thanks for clearing that up
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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There actually are cranes everywhere. MDAllStar exaggerates about a lot of things (i.e., hundreds of Go-Go shows per night), but he's right about the cranes part.

http://pcj.typepad.com/photos/uncate...ldg_cranes.jpg

http://www.joshuateets.com/wp-conten...e2b7500819.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-3lUhdRn_Eag/UG...jpg?imgmax=800

So long Chocolate City. Hello Neapolitan.
LOL - no, I believe him about the cranes.

It would just be cool to get a panorama of all the cranes, especially because they are all so close together in DC. LA has a lot of cranes right now but are bunched in 4-5 different places so it is much less impressive.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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My response addressed this guy thinking he could get a general sense of pedestrian traffic through Google street view lol.......


Some people don't realize that Google street view is only good for seeing buildings and has nothing to do with how much street traffic a neighborhood has.
It couldn't have been because you chose a streetview of DC that looked like a scene from a post-apocalyptic movie. The only thing missing was the grass growing in the gutters.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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It couldn't have been because you chose a streetview of DC that looked like a scene from a post-apocalyptic movie. The only thing missing was the grass growing in the gutters.

And that notion only solidifies what I have been saying about people thinking they can look at population density to gauge urbanity. They have nothing to do with each other. Urbanity is based on the built form. Population density happens when the development is finished and plays no role in the urban design process. My goal in posting a street view was to show buildings and their relationship to each other and the street. That is the difference between someone who is looking for urban design and someone who is looking for people walking.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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False.
True.

Philly from 19107 City Hall

1 mile from 19107 population 72,188 density of 23,013

5 mile from 19107 population 897,996 density 12,694

10 miles from 19107 population 2,160,409 density 7,354

20 miles from 19107 population 3,918,415 density 3,230

35 miles from 19107 population 5,909,675 density 3,733

50 miles from 19107 population 7,900,245 density 1,048

100 miles from 19107 population 29,034,066 density 1,274

You see, just 20 miles from the center of the city is 4,000,000
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:35 PM
 
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True.

Philly from 19107 City Hall

1 mile from 19107 population 72,188 density of 23,013

5 mile from 19107 population 897,996 density 12,694

10 miles from 19107 population 2,160,409 density 7,354

20 miles from 19107 population 3,918,415 density 3,230

35 miles from 19107 population 5,909,675 density 3,733

50 miles from 19107 population 7,900,245 density 1,048

100 miles from 19107 population 29,034,066 density 1,274

You see, just 20 miles from the center of the city is 4,000,000
You seem to be a little confused.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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You seem to be a little confused.
Righttttttt. I'm posting facts, but I'm confused.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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Righttttttt. I'm posting facts, but I'm confused.
What "facts" have you provided?

You said that in equal area, Philadelphia is the same size as Chicago, then went ahead and posted some nonsense about population from city hall.

Then again, you post some non sense about Philly having 4,000,000 people in a 20 mile radius from City Hall and proclaim, "You see, just 20 miles from the center of the city is 4,000,000"

a 20 mile radius is 1,256 sq miles (Pi x r2), so essentilly what you are saying is Philly has 4,000,000 people in 1,256 sq miles.
Chicago has 2.7 million people in 227 sq miles and 5,200,000 in 946 sq miles (cook county).

So no, Philly is not the same size as Chicago at the same area. So yeah, like I said, I think you are confused.
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