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View Poll Results: Which is more urban?
Boston 72 63.72%
DC 41 36.28%
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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True.

Philly from 19107 City Hall

1 mile from 19107 population 72,188 density of 23,013

5 mile from 19107 population 897,996 density 12,694

10 miles from 19107 population 2,160,409 density 7,354

20 miles from 19107 population 3,918,415 density 3,230

35 miles from 19107 population 5,909,675 density 3,733

50 miles from 19107 population 7,900,245 density 1,048

100 miles from 19107 population 29,034,066 density 1,274

You see, just 20 miles from the center of the city is 4,000,000

It's a little hard to compare D.C.'s population density to other areas. D.C.'s population density outside of D.C. proper is linear along metro line's. It's the reason we have more subway train riders than anybody no named NYC and it's the reason we can have more train riders than metro area's with double our population. Our population density is concentrated along rapid mass transit. Montgomery County for instance has about half of its land on one side of the county reserved for farm land. All 1 million people travel along the red line and Marc Brunswick line. What area has developed like D.C.? I can't think of any. For one, you have to have a metro system in the suburbs to develop that way in the suburbs.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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It's a little hard to compare D.C.'s population density to other areas. D.C.'s population density outside of D.C. proper is linear along metro line's. It's the reason we have more subway train riders than anybody no named NYC and it's the reason we can have more train riders than metro area's with double our population. Our population density is concentrated along rapid mass transit. Montgomery County for instance has about half of its land on one side of the county reserved for farm land. All 1 million people travel along the red line and Marc Brunswick line. What area has developed like D.C.? I can't think of any. For one, you have to have a metro system in the suburbs to develop that way in the suburbs.
I understand. Then just focus on the population, and not the density then.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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And that notion only solidifies what I have been saying about people thinking they can look at population density to gauge urbanity. They have nothing to do with each other. Urbanity is based on the built form. Population density happens when the development is finished and plays no role in the urban design process. My goal in posting a street view was to show buildings and their relationship to each other and the street. That is the difference between someone who is looking for urban design and someone who is looking for people walking.
It was a six lane road in the heart of DC, I should have seen more than two cars and one human.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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It was a six lane road in the heart of DC, I should have seen more than two cars and one human.
What time was it? And what day of the week was it?
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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It's a little hard to compare D.C.'s population density to other areas. D.C.'s population density outside of D.C. proper is linear along metro line's. It's the reason we have more subway train riders than anybody no named NYC and it's the reason we can have more train riders than metro area's with double our population. Our population density is concentrated along rapid mass transit. Montgomery County for instance has about half of its land on one side of the county reserved for farm land. All 1 million people travel along the red line and Marc Brunswick line. What area has developed like D.C.? I can't think of any. For one, you have to have a metro system in the suburbs to develop that way in the suburbs.
DC has weird patterns outside of the city, not sure there are others like it really, maybe Atlanta with the way Midtown and Buckhead are. You have those super high density nodes and then directly outside of them, southern-style low density sprawl (not trying to say DC is southern, just that's what that stuff looks like to me - I have no opinion in that debate). Makes sense that would boost ridership numbers, especially if there are park and rides available.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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DC has weird patterns outside of the city, not sure there are others like it really, maybe Atlanta with the way Midtown and Buckhead are. You have those super high density nodes and then directly outside of them, southern-style low density sprawl (not trying to say DC is southern, just that's what that stuff looks like to me - I have no opinion in that debate). Makes sense that would boost ridership numbers, especially if there are park and rides available.
Agreed, DC is the only area in the nation that can absorb all growth in the city and suburbs in linear fashion. It mitigates so many problems the rest of the country will face moving forward. I don't think the planners realized what they were doing back in the 60's when they designed this metro system, but it is a national model of development and sustainability that has set DC apart from every other metro area. It's not that DC is different in development, it's that the metro system is the neccesary infrastructure needed to be able to do this.

The high capacity of heavy rail is needed long term to be able to absorb all the population growth in metro areas nationwide. The problem is the cost of building heavy rail is too high now. That is why everyone is building light rail, however, light rail does not have capacity to move and absorb all population in these cities over the next 30 years. It's a really sad state out countries infrastructure is in.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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DC is not no "national model". Heck 10 years ago it was the murder capital. Don't over do it buddy.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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DC is not no "national model". Heck 10 years ago it was the murder capital. Don't over do it buddy.
I know you wouldn't know this because you most likely don't actually study or work professionally with this stuff, but you are clearly out of your element. Urban Planners study D.C.'s development from coast to coast. Sorry man.....

New Report Highlights DC as Model for Walkable Places | American Architectural Foundation

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Old 04-11-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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DC area’s neighborhoods are becoming more walkable – even in the suburbs | Smart Growth America
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