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I guess it's safe to say that because 1990-99 average annual murder rates were D.C. 67.3 per 100k and Chicago 29.4 per 100k, dude had to move the goalposts to neighborhoods, then forgot to mention that black people would get attacked by whites when venturing into certain Chicago neighborhoods like Bridgeport in the 1990's.
Do you have stats on what New York borough had the most homicides ever in a single year ?
Do you have stats on what New York borough had the most homicides ever in a single year ?
My guess would be Brooklyn or the Bronx
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats...ime-stats.page
This site has info for 1990 and 1993. I'm too lazy to actually calculate, but it's Brooklyn, I'm pretty sure. But it's bigger than the Bronx. Rate might have been higher in the Bronx.
P.S. I have to correct myself, wkipedia shows totally different data for Philadelphia. According to wiki, the worst 5 years were 1985-1989 (again, no data before 1985) with the average rate of 43.8 murders per 100000 people which much higher than what that UCR site says.
This doesn't change anything I stated before. The worst area in Chicago was worst than the worst area in DC.
Wentworth district (pop.65,000)
Murders: 99
152 murders per 100k
Ward 8 (86,000)
Murders: 96 murders
112 murders per 100k
aight man here we are again.....I don't know where you keep getting this data from but 7th district PD doesn't even include all of southeast..https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/welcome-seventh-district. DC (ward 8) in 2010 was only 71,000 in 2010 while I don't have the data I don't know if it was 86,000 in the 90's when the city had a less population https://planning.dc.gov/sites/defaul...y%2520Ward.pdf even still 133 murders in 1993 for the 7th district MPD using your population at 86,000 is 154. if using the 2010 ward 8 population (which 7th district doesn't completely cover) is 187
First of all, that's all wrong because the 7th district encompasses Ward 8 and parts of Ward 6 and Ward 7. Also, you do not have a population number on the 7th district. The 86,000 number is for Ward 8 not the 7th district. You keep trying to count all 7th district murders as Ward 8 murders and that is where the inconsistencies come in because the 7th district includes not only Ward 8 but parts of Ward 6 and 7 as well. Here is the population for Ward 8 throughout its history.
Ward 8 DC
Total
Population, 1980 96,707 Population, 1990 86,437
Population, 2000 74,037
Population, 2010 73,662
As I said before, Ward 8 is considered the roughest area of DC and boasts the highest murder rate but when compared to Chicago's worst area, it simply doesn't stack up well.
First of all, that's all wrong because the 7th district encompasses Ward 8 and parts of Ward 6 and Ward 7. Also, you do not have a population number on the 7th district. The 86,000 number is for Ward 8 not the 7th district. You keep trying to count all 7th district murders as Ward 8 murders and that is where the inconsistencies come in because the 7th district includes not only Ward 8 but parts of Ward 6 and 7 as well. Here is the population for Ward 8 throughout its history.
Ward 8 DC
Total
Population, 1980 96,707 Population, 1990 86,437
Population, 2000 74,037
Population, 2010 73,662
As I said before, Ward 8 is considered the roughest area of DC and boasts the highest murder rate but when compared to Chicago's worst area, it simply doesn't stack up well.
No. I don't think it's worth repeating, but no. How can't you understand? Simple mathematics, like 4th grade. You are given 3 million chances to do some job, I'm given 600000. You manage to do it cca 920 times, I do it cca 450 times. Who's more succesful? I did it almost half the times, but had only one fifth the chances.
Also, SE and NE DC had 150k people and 300 murders back then, that's rate of 200.
Why is it so hard to admit? This is one of the things that should be pretty objective, it's like arguing wheter 7 is bigger than 5, there should be no opinions.
I know Chicago has a long crime history and is probably more dangerous now, but at that point DC just exploded, it was pretty much unmatched among larger cities (St Louis and New Orleans were close).
Again, I believe my point is going way over your head here. I never said DC didn't have a higher murder rate "PER CAPITA". However, the most dangerous areas in Chicago are still more dangerous than the most dangerous areas in DC. That's a fact.
Chicago = Higher murder toll
DC = Higher murder rate " PER CAPITA"
Chicago = Most dangerous areas
That's the reality of it all.
And where is your source of information coming from that says SE and NE DC had 150k people with 300 murders? I gave you all my sources. Where are yours? Seems like you're just making up numbers again.
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Again, the 7th district in DC includes Ward 8 as well as parts of Ward 6 and Ward 7. You cannot calculate the 7th district's murder rate using just Ward 8's population.
I wanted to mentioned that if anyone wants data prior to 1985 then look through the archives of UCR via google search. You have to a bit digging but it's possible. Found data back in the 40s,50s,60s, etc.
I wanted to mentioned that if anyone wants data prior to 1985 then look through the archives of UCR via google search. You have to a bit digging but it's possible. Found data back in the 40s,50s,60s, etc.
You wanna post the information you found? I usually look through newspaper articles, I find a lot of info there just in general.
Again, I believe my point is going way over your head here. I never said DC didn't have a higher murder rate "PER CAPITA". However, the most dangerous areas in Chicago are still more dangerous than the most dangerous areas in DC. That's a fact.
Chicago = Higher murder toll
DC = Higher murder rate " PER CAPITA"
Chicago = Most dangerous areas
That's the reality of it all.
And where is your source of information coming from that says SE and NE DC had 150k people with 300 murders? I gave you all my sources. Where are yours? Seems like you're just making up numbers again.
https://home.chicagopolice.org/insid...nnual-reports/
Here it says 2nd district in Chicago (which is the one you mention) had population of cca 92000 and 89 murders. That equals to a rate of 96.7 murders per 100k people in a year.
As for the D.C. data you' re asking, I mostly believed that CelticGermanicPride guy (or something like that) who is form D.C. and said that NE and SE sides had cca 150k people and since city had like 450 murders those years, it is fair to believe that those 2 sides (that are believed to be the most dangerous) had at least 300. That already makes it 200/100000 in a year.
https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/fi...s/98ar_pdf.pdf
this report says 7th district in D.C. had 67 murders in 1998 (no reports before that), but 1998 had 1.85 times less murders that 1991. I know this isn't completely right, but if you multiply 67 with 1.85 you get 124. Now, I can't find the population of the 7th, but it would have to be 128000 to have a murder rate of 96.7 (which i calculated for Chicagos 2nd), but it was probably way lower than that, meaning the rate was higher.
Also, as someone said, that district includes some more peaceful areas. I know this is already hard to find info for, let alone if start drawing some imaginary lines, but I'm pretty sure that bad areas (not official police districts since they can include nicer areas too) in D.C. were worse than those in Chicago, maybe not by much, but it's hard to believe that a city with murder rate of 85 as a whole (and with plenty of peaceful areas) doesn't have worse neighborhoods than a city with the rate of 30 or something.
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