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Old 09-10-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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Of cities that anchor metro populations of at least one million people, Richmond is one of the most dangerous cities in the 90s...

The only cities of 1 mil+ metros with a deadlier 1990s than Richmond were DC (67.33 decade murder rate) and New Orleans (63.2). Richmond had a decade rate of 57.43 per 100k. No other city over a million had a murder rate close to that in the 90s (Detroit was 4th at 51.3 for the decade)...

To boot, Richmond had the 7th highest murder rate for the 1980s decade and the 6th highest in the 2000s decade. Very few cities historically are as violent and wild as Richmond. In the 90s it was DC/Nola/Rich. No city will ever be as dangerous as 90s Washington DC again...

Just for comparison purposes, Chicago had a 25.37 rate for the 80s (17th place) and a 29.11 rate in the 90s (13th). Not really close to being the murder capital...
The hoods in Chicago were more violent than any in America during the 90s, including DC. The overall rate of the city is diluted by the good areas. The most dangerous section of DC in 90s was ward 8. Ward 8 compared to the Wentworth district on Chicago's southside is light work. A city can't be the most dangerous city if sections of another city is worst and more dangerous than its most dangerous areas.


Wentworth district (pop.65,000)
Murders: 99

Ward 8 (pop.86,000)
Murders: 96

Not to mention Chicago was worse in 2016 than DC ever was during the 90s. To see this all you have to do is take an area within Chicago that has a similar population and demographics as DC and then compare that to DC. Once you do that, these are the results:

Austin-97,643/92
Englewood-58,277/86
HP-55,011/29
South Shore-48,816/22
Auburn Gresham-45,842/31
Roseland-42,505/32
New City-40,997/43
Garfield Park-38,398/58
North Lawndale-35,276/34
Lower WS-34,410/11
GGC-32,346/34
McKinley Park-16,336/1
Washington Park-11,647/11
Fuller Park-2,543/5


Total population: 560,047
Total murders: 489
Murder rate/87.3 per 100k

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Old 09-10-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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Fueled by gang feuds and disputes over heroin sales, violence spiked to 1990s levels in the Harrison District last year, with more than 580 people shot and nearly 100 people killed. Its boundaries run between Western and Cicero avenues, Roosevelt Road and Madison Street, Kedzie and Cicero avenues north of Madison up to Division Street.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html


Orr is in the 11th Police District and last year there were 93 murders, more than any other district in the city.

https://www.google.com/amp/abc7chica...p-win/1806216/

In the 11th, shootings are up by 78 percent compared to a year ago, and homicides are up 89 percent. So far in 2016, 91 people have been killed in this district, where only about 74,000 people live.That is more homicides than in all of last year in entire cities, such as Seattle (population 684,000), Omaha (444,000) and Buffalo (258,000).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....ct-11.amp.html

Chicago 2016:
Harrison district (pop.74,000)
93 murders
Murder rate 126 per 100k
580+ shooting victims*
784+ shootings per 100k*

Baltimore 2016:
Western/Central districts (pop.75,000)
80 murders
Murder rate 107 per 100k
230 shooting victims
307 shootings per 100k

*Article says that more than 580 were shot in the Harrison district which is why I put "580+" and "784+".
Interesting to think that despite the west side being the most violent section overall of Chicago, west suburban Cook County(with the exception of maybe Maywood) can hardly be said to have been influenced by being very close to such violent territories. Oak Park, IL borders Austin(had the most murders in 2016 out of any community area), yet is arguably the most liberal suburb in Chicagoland and is slightly safer than or as safe as its north shore equal, Evanston, which in return btw borders a somewhat sketchy but far less crime ridden neighborhood.
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:15 PM
 
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Interesting to think that despite the west side being the most violent section overall of Chicago, west suburban Cook County(with the exception of maybe Maywood) can hardly be said to have been influenced by being very close to such violent territories. Oak Park, IL borders Austin(had the most murders in 2016 out of any community area), yet is arguably the most liberal suburb in Chicagoland and is slightly safer than or as safe as its north shore equal, Evanston, which in return btw borders a somewhat sketchy but far less crime ridden neighborhood.
I remember hearing a documentary talking about that. They were wondering why the violence skipped over Oak Park and went to Maywood when Oak park is right on the border. That is weird.
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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Take into consideration gangs from LA has a lot to do with the increase in crime in several other cities during that time period. Chicago didn't.
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Old 09-10-2017, 09:16 PM
 
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Most dangerous is violent crime rate which consists of assault, homicide, rape, and robbery rates.Among major cities, the top 3 average annual violent crime rates during the 90's were ...

1. Atlanta - 3538 per 100,000
2. Miami - 3357 per 100,000
3.St. Louis - 3131 per 100,000
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Old 09-10-2017, 10:29 PM
 
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Take into consideration gangs from LA has a lot to do with the increase in crime in several other cities during that time period. Chicago didn't.
Umm Chicago played a major role in increasing crime other cities during 90s, namely in cities like Milwaukee, Gary and Little Rock as well some cities on the west coast.
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:14 PM
 
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Umm Chicago played a major role in increasing crime other cities during 90s, namely in cities like Milwaukee, Gary and Little Rock as well some cities on the west coast.
Gary Is 10 minutes from Chicago and Milwaukee isn't far either. LA had and and still has a larger impact on little Rock than Chicago does.
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Old 09-11-2017, 12:35 AM
 
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Gary Is 10 minutes from Chicago and Milwaukee isn't far either. LA had and and still has a larger impact on little Rock than Chicago does.
I didn't know you were putting distance as a qualifier for increasing violence in other cities. Chicago and LA gangs both had a large impact on Little Rock. Every place LA gangs went in the 90s, a lot of times Chicago gangs were already there or on their way there. Also, I can't forget about the Latin Kings. They were raising hell in NYC during the 90s. This is what presented the opportunity for Bloods and Crips to become a thing in New York. Guys felt like they needed to unite under something because the Latin Kings were such a dominate force so they chose Bloods and Crips. I'm not sure exactly why they chose that because they could have started their own thing but I guess they wanted something already established.

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Old 09-11-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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[quote=EducatedBrother615;49476226]The hoods in Chicago were more violent than any in America during the 90s, including DC. The overall rate of the city is diluted by the good areas. The most dangerous section of DC in 90s was ward 8. Ward 8 compared to the Wentworth district on Chicago's southside is light work. A city can't be the most dangerous city if sections of another city is worst and more dangerous than its most dangerous areas.


Wentworth district (pop.65,000)
Murders: 99

Ward 8 (pop.86,000)
Murders: 96

Not to mention Chicago was worse in 2016 than DC ever was during the 90s. To see this all you have to do is take an area within Chicago that has a similar population and demographics as DC and then compare that to DC. Once you do that, these are the results:


High crime rates, associated with the drug trade, reached a peak in the 1990s. In 2005, 62 of the 195 homicides in Washington, D.C. occurred in the 7th District of the Metropolitan Police Department, which also includes the neighborhoods of Barry Farm, Naylor Gardens, and Washington Highlands. This figure is down from the 7th District's peak of 133 homicides in 1993.[14]



We've been through this already. As DC has improved over the years crime was pushed over the border to PG county. Unlike cities like Detroit, Baltimore, the crime doesn't stop at the city limit. PG county usually will compare to most major cities when it comes to crime.

Year Population
Murder/ Man-
slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime
2005 722,018 20.8 36.8 615.9 466.6 1,140.1
2004 719,457 18.6 36.0 490.4 447.6 992.6
2003 714,496 16.4 34.3 497.3 420.3 968.2
2002 701,275 18.3 31.9 499.8 509.5 1,059.5
2001 690,617 15.3 30.8 490.3 506.4 1,042.8
2000 680,508 9.8 29.1 373.3 543.4 955.6
1995 640,535 20.0 56.4 595.1 566.1 1,237.6
1990 613,616 17.9 71.9 587.7 549.7 1,227.2
1985 574,412 7.5 59.2 384.9 428.4 880.0
1980 556,147 9.5 68.9 519.3 336.2 933.9


Mind you usually crime is concentrated to NE, SE DC and inner beltway PG county and while DC's rate would've went down overall there were 250+ murders in that same area which is similar to the population as DC.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:13 PM
 
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The hoods in Chicago were more violent than any in America during the 90s, including DC. The overall rate of the city is diluted by the good areas. The most dangerous section of DC in 90s was ward 8. Ward 8 compared to the Wentworth district on Chicago's southside is light work. A city can't be the most dangerous city if sections of another city is worst and more dangerous than its most dangerous areas. Ward 8 and dthe 7th district two different things. The 7th district includes ward 8 and parts of ward 7 and ward 6.


Wentworth district (pop.65,000)
Murders: 99

Ward 8 (pop.86,000)
Murders: 96

Not to mention Chicago was worse in 2016 than DC ever was during the 90s. To see this all you have to do is take an area within Chicago that has a similar population and demographics as DC and then compare that to DC. Once you do that, these are the results:


High crime rates, associated with the drug trade, reached a peak in the 1990s. In 2005, 62 of the 195 homicides in Washington, D.C. occurred in the 7th District of the Metropolitan Police Department, which also includes the neighborhoods of Barry Farm, Naylor Gardens, and Washington Highlands. This figure is down from the 7th District's peak of 133 homicides in 1993.[14]



We've been through this already. As DC has improved over the years crime was pushed over the border to PG county. Unlike cities like Detroit, Baltimore, the crime doesn't stop at the city limit. PG county usually will compare to most major cities when it comes to crime.

Year Population
Murder/ Man-
slaughter Rape Robbery Aggravated Assault Total Violent Crime
2005 722,018 20.8 36.8 615.9 466.6 1,140.1
2004 719,457 18.6 36.0 490.4 447.6 992.6
2003 714,496 16.4 34.3 497.3 420.3 968.2
2002 701,275 18.3 31.9 499.8 509.5 1,059.5
2001 690,617 15.3 30.8 490.3 506.4 1,042.8
2000 680,508 9.8 29.1 373.3 543.4 955.6
1995 640,535 20.0 56.4 595.1 566.1 1,237.6
1990 613,616 17.9 71.9 587.7 549.7 1,227.2
1985 574,412 7.5 59.2 384.9 428.4 880.0
1980 556,147 9.5 68.9 519.3 336.2 933.9


Mind you usually crime is concentrated to NE, SE DC and inner beltway PG county and while DC's rate would've went down overall there were 250+ murders in that same area which is similar to the population as DC.
This doesn't change anything I stated before. The worst area in Chicago was worst than the worst area in DC.

Wentworth district (pop.65,000)
Murders: 99
152 murders per 100k


Ward 8 (86,000)

Murders: 96 murders
112 murders per 100k
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