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Old 02-22-2011, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Exactly.
Chicagos southside is bigger then a lot of smaller cities with high crime.

Chicagos bad sides are diluted by the not so bad parts and everyone thinks its all gravy
just like nyc, la. Houston. All cities over 1 million have this same effect on crime rates.
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC NoVA
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The worst parts of Chicago were way worse then the worst parts of dc back then, and right now the ghettos in chicago alone are near the entire size of all of dc.
that has nothing to do with anything. it all goes down to scale. chicago is big compared dc. so of course it will have more murders. but southeast and northeast dc had a population of maybe 200,000 back then. chicago's south side had close to or possibly more than 1 million people. so if the majority of chicago's murders occured on the south side of 1 million people, that's close to 1,000 murders in an area with 1 million people. there were probably around 700 murders on chicago's south side in the early 90s and 300 on the west side and combined they all mostly occured in an area of around 2 million people, so that proves my point even moreso. ne and se dc had an area of 200,000 people with about half the murders the whole city of chicago itself had.

to say south side of chicago was worse than ne and se dc in the early 90s is beyond ridiculous when the cold hard statistics prove that wrong.

i honestly can't get through my head why you people can not understand this. anybody who thinks chicago's south side had a higher murder rate than ne and se dc doesn't know what they're talking about and needs to go back to 3rd grade math class. a city of 3 million having about 1,000 murders is not more dangerous than a city with 600,000 having about 500 murders.

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Old 02-22-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC NoVA
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Exactly.
Chicagos southside is bigger then a lot of smaller cities with high crime.

Chicagos bad sides are diluted by the not so bad parts and everyone thinks its all gravy
no, you're wrong. chicago's south side was around 1 million people large but give or take had around 700 murders then. northeast and southeast dc had about 200,000 people and about 500 murders.

a city's bad parts really can't be diluted by good parts, because if a city was so bad then the bad parts should be much larger to even out the socio-economics of the city.

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Old 02-22-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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this RIGHT HERE proves my point. chicago's south side was around 1 million people large but give or take had around 700 murders then. northeast and southeast dc had about 200,000 people and about 500 murders.

thank you for proving my point.
Your point? Compare Chicago overall crimes to dc's overall crimes and there u go, dc isn't even in the same league as Chicago was in the 90's and currently.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:01 PM
 
Location: NC/IL/MI
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no, you're wrong. chicago's south side was around 1 million people large but give or take had around 700 murders then. northeast and southeast dc had about 200,000 people and about 500 murders.

a city's bad parts really can't be diluted by good parts, because if a city was so bad then the bad parts should be much larger to even out the socio-economics of the city.
Well lets not forget, the South Side also had/has areas with little amounts of crime so that makes it even more concentrated. So the Bad areas back then (englewood, roseland, Bronzeville ect) were REALLY BAD.

And the projects were some of the worst in the U.S. Hands down.

Actually crime was probably more concentrated back then compared to now to be honest.

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Old 02-22-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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Chicago(3.8mil) is 6.3 X bigger than DC(600k) and DC had almost half its murders in the 90's...so if Chicago had 970 murders as its peak...at the size of DC it would have 970/6.3=153 homicides..If DC were the size of Chicago it would've had 482x6.3+=3036 homicides..Ppl say DC isnt as big but its just not DC its also PG County...NE,SE DC has about 70% of DC murders and inside the beltway of PG would guess around 80-90%..so that area of 500k+ ppl would compare to any major area in any major city..even NY
the key word is "if"..and its very unlikely that it would've turned out that way anyway..

but you just provided another example as to why its pointless to compare big cities to smaller cities
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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the key word is "if"..and its very unlikely that it would've turned out that way anyway..

but you just provided another example as to why its pointless to compare big cities to smaller cities
i gotta agree with this again because people always say "if" but the truth of the matter is "if" dc had 2 million or more people it most likely would not have been in the state that was in back in the day. For one thing dc would have been way more diverse if had over 3 million folks and more better areas.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yep. It would become diluted. Just how Chicago, NYC, L.A., and all these other cities are.
It would just be a "bad part of town"
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: NC/IL/MI
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the key word is "if"..and its very unlikely that it would've turned out that way anyway..

but you just provided another example as to why its pointless to compare big cities to smaller cities
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Yep. It would become diluted. Just how Chicago, NYC, L.A., and all these other cities are.
It would just be a "bad part of town"
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i gotta agree with this again because people always say "if" but the truth of the matter is "if" dc had 2 million or more people it most likely would not have been in the state that was in back in the day. For one thing dc would have been way more diverse if had over 3 million folks and more better areas.
Exactly.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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This dc guy has no clue what he's talking about, if you want to try and compare you would need to compare it by neighborhoods like NE dc and SE dc to west and south Chicago, if you were to do that for the 90's and today Chicago would blow out tiny little dc in EVERY crime statistic.
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