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Voting california... mass wins for private, cal wins for public, since I went to a public and would never have been to afford university w/o it.. I'll go for California.
california wins clearly, and anybody saying "well most of those universities are in boston"
newsflash harvard alone is like 350 years old. california has been around for like 150 or so years.
Tough question. Both states have great schools but I picked Massachussetts.
I have to agree; plus you have to take into account that California has 30,000,000 more people than Massachussets has. That difference is larger than any state, except California.
California, but not really a fair comparison. California has probably 10 times the population and many times over the land area.
Likewise, California is a dramatically younger state with most people not moving here until after 1900. Universities in MA are some of the oldest in our country and have had a longer time to establish their reputations. CA has risen to the top in education in just a short amout of time. Schools like UCSD are ranked 35th in our country and have been open only 50 years.
MA:
Boston University 1839
Harvard 1636
Amherst 1821
Wheaton 1834
Tufts 1852
MIT 1861
Boston College 1863
WPI 1865
UM Amherst 1863
Becker 1784
Williams 1793
Holy Cross 1843
etc....
Not many of the post-1900 campuses are very well known or high ranking.
CA:
UCLA 1919
UC San Diego 1959
UC Davis 1959
Claremont McKenna College 1946
Harvey Mudd College 1955
Pomona College 1887
University of Southern California 1880
Stanford 1885
Cal Tech 1891
Cal Poly SLO 1901
UC Irvine 1965
UC Berkeley 1868
california wins clearly, and anybody saying "well most of those universities are in boston"
newsflash harvard alone is like 350 years old. california has been around for like 150 or so years.
Thanks for the newsflash, but how does that change anything? Who cares if Harvard is 350 years old?
Also, how does California "win clearly". I think you can make a case for both states, but I don't think you can make a case that either one is a clear winner.
Thanks for the newsflash, but how does that change anything? Who cares if Harvard is 350 years old?
Also, how does California "win clearly". I think you can make a case for both states, but I don't think you can make a case that either one is a clear winner.
i wasnt looking to change anything the statement is there to bring up the fact that mass. universities have been around for a longer period of time than california has been a state, and thus had more time to establish themselves academically. and even with hundreds of years worth of head start, CA universities, as pointed out by a previous poster via official university rankings, come out ahead of massachusetts universities
California, but not really a fair comparison. California has probably 10 times the population and many times over the land area.
Because land area and population are determining factors in what makes a quality school?? Then shouldn't either Jacksonville or NYC be leading in this category? If you're going to look at it like this then maybe you should consider how much less land and population the Bay Area has vs. Massachusetts when putting UC Berkeley, UCSF and Stanford as the top CA schools in most of these categories.
Will there ever be a comparison made where the NE isn't winning that actually WON'T have people whining that the comparison "isn't fair?" We're comparing 2 states here. Trust me, ITS FAIR!
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