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Old 09-01-2009, 07:24 PM
 
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I think they're definitely both urban in terms of density. Looked like a commercial node of the Lower Haight, though...plenty of businesses and activity.
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:29 PM
 
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For Ukranian Village type
"Damen and Division Chicago, IL"
Then hit enter and drag the guy to that intersection, then head SOUTH on Damen.
It would be a better comparison to head down Division since it, like Haight, is mostly a commercial street. Damen is mostly residential. Anyway, the Lower Haight looks more urban because it has narrower streets with less building set-back. In reality they are probably pretty even.
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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It would be a better comparison to head down Division since it, like Haight, is mostly a commercial street. Damen is mostly residential. Anyway, the Lower Haight looks more urban because it has narrower streets with less building set-back. In reality they are probably pretty even.
Definitely a fair comparison, given what he said though I voted otherwise.

the narrower vs. wider streets is going to be everywhere though, Chicago just has wide streets period, at least compared to sf/nyc/boston, b/c of the obvious grid system after the fire.

often as much going on, but not as many bottlenecks.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:58 PM
 
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San Francisco has more density, the buildings are lot-line to lot-line, in Chicago there are setbacks and gangways, etc. I much prefer Chicago to SF.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:18 AM
 
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Thats a good point...

Its a matter of personal preference. I have yet to go to Chicago but it looks like a cool, totally different kind of urbanity than San Francisco.

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San Francisco has more density, the buildings are lot-line to lot-line, in Chicago there are setbacks and gangways, etc. I much prefer Chicago to SF.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:30 AM
 
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Here's another fun one:

Type "16th and Mission San Francisco, CA"

Then head SOUTH on Mission...the stretch goes for a while (for at least what feels like a mile).

This, to me, is what Los Angeles SHOULD look like, if it had had better city planning.

Also, if you want the hipster, yuppie part of the Mission, go one street over to 16th and Valencia and head South for the same stretch.
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Old 09-09-2009, 12:06 AM
 
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Just returned from Chicago and spent some time in Ukranian Village and East Village. Would definitely say Lower Haight is more urban, but I found Ukranian Village to be cooler...
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Old 09-09-2009, 12:48 AM
 
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Just returned from Chicago and spent some time in Ukranian Village and East Village. Would definitely say Lower Haight is more urban, but I found Ukranian Village to be cooler...
How in the Sam Hill do you get more "urban" than the West Side of Chicago? Because there are gangways? (We used to stop and smoke in the gangways on the way to Catholic school, smoking squares not pot, it was 1960)

Well yeah, you have the young suburban transplants that are displacing the Ukrainians, Poles, Hillbillys and Italians, that's true. The people are getting less urban in nature; less neighborhood loyalty and tightness and more interest in trendy breakfast places than the local parish. But I'm guessing that's at work in San Francisco too.
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:47 AM
 
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lol..i sense a bit of animosity from the chicagoers ... its like every one of them has an excuse as to why everyone else says SF is more urban(2nd densest in the nation)

that mission/16th area looks way cool...all the palm trees and urbanity ...etc
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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lol..i sense a bit of animosity from the chicagoers ... its like every one of them has an excuse as to why everyone else says SF is more urban(2nd densest in the nation)

that mission/16th area looks way cool...all the palm trees and urbanity ...etc

My point is what makes something urban? If we go purely by density then I reckon places like Mexico City and Calcutta are more "urban" than San Francisco and Chicago.

I would argue that any neighborhood in a large city is de facto "urban", even the Bronx.

Then we have the nature of the people who live in neighborhoods; is an "old neighborhood" full of people born in the city and carrying on traditional city ways more urban than a neighborhood of suburban transplants who seldom socialize with each other and put fences in front of their stoops?

Just wondering.
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