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View Poll Results: Which of these states is better situated for the economic challenges of the 21st century?
Ohio 21 41.18%
Missouri 15 29.41%
Equal 9 17.65%
Unsure/Other 6 11.76%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-01-2009, 08:39 PM
 
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Which of these states is, in your opinion, better situated for the economic challenges of the 21st century?
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Michigan vs Missouri would be a fairer comparison.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:34 PM
 
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Ohio is about twice the population with many more Fortune 500 companies.. not sure about the comparison in this regard. Both Cleveland and Cinci alone have more fort. 500 companies then Missouri as an entire state.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:27 AM
 
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Ohio definitely
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:22 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Ohio is being hit much harder than Missouri because while both states are industrial and in the Midwest, Ohio depended much more on manufacturing than Missouri and was also hit harder because it has more big cities that suffered from it.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:38 AM
 
Location: MichOhioigan
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Which of these states is, in your opinion, better situated for the economic challenges of the 21st century?
Ohio
1) Coastal almost always trumps inland.
2) Ohio is closer to more major population centers/markets than Missouri.
3) Ohio has greater natural resources (esp. fresh water - the oil of the 21st century) and a larger and more educated labor pool.
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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I love Missouri. I'm not sure about its economy compared to Ohio's, though.

As far as stuff like manufacturing:
"Missouri tops manufacturing, logistics list" - Street Talk - ColumbiaTribune.com
Missouri lost 28,100 manufacturing jobs - St. Louis Business Journal:

It makes sense that Ohio would have more Fortune 500 companies. Ohio has twice the population that Missouri has.

Seems like Missouri is doing okay on Fresh Water, though it's nothing compared to Great Lakes States.
Missouri — Area (Water): 811 Miles

Missouri Fortune 500 companies
Fortune 500 2009: States: Missouri Companies - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com

According to this site, 56.5% of Missouri land is farmland.
Missouri Fact Sheet: MO agriculture income population food education employment unemployment farms top commodities exports counties financial indicators poverty organic farming farm income Rural Nonmetro Urban Metropolitan America USDA

Missouri
Top 5 agriculture exports, estimates, FY 2008
Rank among states Value million $
1. Soybeans and products 6 1,248.7
2. Feed grains and products 11 531.7
3. Wheat and products 14 388.9
4. Live animals and meat 9 376.3
5. Cotton and linters 6 254.7

Overall rank 10 3,219.2

Missouri Fact Sheet: MO agriculture income population food education employment unemployment farms top commodities exports counties financial indicators poverty organic farming farm income Rural Nonmetro Urban Metropolitan America USDA

Ohio
Top 5 agriculture exports, estimates, FY 2008
Rank among states Value million $
1. Soybeans and products 7 1,053.6
2. Feed grains and products 9 570.4
3. Wheat and products 9 517.9
4. Other 8 414.3
5. Poultry and products 20 71.9

Overall rank 16 2,915.2

Ohio Fact Sheet: OH agriculture income population food education employment unemployment farms top commodities exports counties financial indicators poverty organic farming farm income Rural Nonmetro Urban Metropolitan America USDA

Not sure how much stock you put in agriculture.

Ohio might be in better shape. It's certainly larger.

As far as the labor pool being more educated, that stats site shows them being pretty similar, actually.

Ohio:
Education (Persons 25 and older)
Rural * Urban * Total
Percent not completing high school
1980 36.7 32.2 33.0
1990 28.1 23.5 24.3
2000 20.0 16.3 17.0

Percent completing high school only
1980 45.0 39.5 40.5
1990 44.0 34.5 36.3
2000 45.6 33.8 36.1

Percent completing some college
1980 9.8 13.6 12.8
1990 17.8 23.4 22.4
2000 22.2 26.6 25.8

Percent completing college
1980 9.0 14.8 13.7
1990 10.1 18.6 17.0
2000 12.2 23.2 21.1
Ohio Fact Sheet: OH agriculture income population food education employment unemployment farms top commodities exports counties financial indicators poverty organic farming farm income Rural Nonmetro Urban Metropolitan America USDA

Missouri

Education (Persons 25 and older)
Rural * Urban * Total
Percent not completing high school
1980 44.6 33.3 36.5
1990 34.4 22.9 26.1
2000 24.7 16.4 18.7

Percent completing high school only
1980 37.0 36.1 36.3
1990 37.5 31.5 33.1
2000 39.4 30.2 32.7

Percent completing some college
1980 9.7 14.8 13.3
1990 17.5 25.0 23.0
2000 22.9 28.6 27.0

Percent completing college
1980 8.9 15.9 13.9
1990 10.5 20.5 17.8
2000 13.0 24.8 21.6
Missouri Fact Sheet: MO agriculture income population food education employment unemployment farms top commodities exports counties financial indicators poverty organic farming farm income Rural Nonmetro Urban Metropolitan America USDA

Just from raw numbers, I don't see that much difference in the two.

Quote:
For the month of August 2009, reported September 1, 2009

For the second consecutive month, Missouri’s Business Conditions Index, a leading economic indicator from a monthly survey of supply managers, was above growth neutral. The index dipped slightly to 52.0 from July’s 52.6. Components of the overall index from the August survey were new orders at 65.8, production at 60.5, delivery lead time at 52.8, inventories at 38.9, and employment at 42.1. “While the state’s economy is on the mend, the rebound is fragile with durable and nondurable manufacturing firms reporting modest expansions in economic activity. Vehicle manufacturing is looking much more positive than in prior months,” said Goss.
http://www.creighton.edu/business/ec...ouri/index.php

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Old 09-03-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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Ok, well I almost created a thread about what is your states' twin, and I was going to compare Ohio to Missouri. We have very similar scenery, cities, demographics, economics, etc. Ohio just has a larger population.

But to answer the question, Ohio is a lot better off. Its got more cities, Missouri has Kansas City and St. Louis, then it rolls off dramatically from there. Ohio has Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Dayton all with over 150,000.

St. Louis is almost a carbon copy of Cleveland. Walking in both cities downtowns its hard to tell which one you are in. Its hard to compare Kansas City to an Ohio city because its not as progressive as Columbus, and not near as hilly as Cincinnati.

Of course Ohio is going to have a more diverse economy, but with the green energy prospects in the future, Ohio is very well off. Some wind energy companies are already developing start-up companies in Toledo and NW Ohio.

The overall picture, Ohio is better off. But both states are extremely similar, and if I had to pick Ohio's "twin" it would be Missouri.
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Old 09-03-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Ok, well I almost created a thread about what is your states' twin, and I was going to compare Ohio to Missouri. We have very similar scenery, cities, demographics, economics, etc. Ohio just has a larger population.

But to answer the question, Ohio is a lot better off. Its got more cities, Missouri has Kansas City and St. Louis, then it rolls off dramatically from there. Ohio has Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Dayton all with over 150,000.

St. Louis is almost a carbon copy of Cleveland. Walking in both cities downtowns its hard to tell which one you are in. Its hard to compare Kansas City to an Ohio city because its not as progressive as Columbus, and not near as hilly as Cincinnati.

Of course Ohio is going to have a more diverse economy, but with the green energy prospects in the future, Ohio is very well off. Some wind energy companies are already developing start-up companies in Toledo and NW Ohio.

The overall picture, Ohio is better off. But both states are extremely similar, and if I had to pick Ohio's "twin" it would be Missouri.
I could not agree more. Both of these states are the most diverse ones in the Midwest, since they touch other states not in the Midwest, and they also have very diverse landscapes and culture in different parts of the states.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Which of these states is, in your opinion, better situated for the economic challenges of the 21st century?
Ohio...I predict the "rustbelt" will be back...like Arnie...
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