Time-Out magazine; World's Greatest City....... (live, better, place, people)

[Deezus]

Originally Posted by BillyBurgBK

This list is actually pretty good as far as I am concerned. As someone who has been to all of the cities on the list and has lived in a few of them, I can vouch for these rankings. Though, I probably wouldn't have Istanbul in the top 10. I would have probably had San Francisco, Toronto, Melbourne, or Munich squeaking out the top 10.

I strongly disagree that members of City-Data could come up with a better list. I find this forum ridiculously provincial and ripe with misinformation. A good quarter of the people on here are trolls who are anti-somecity. Then you have all the people who haven't traveled much who only brag about their own city. They think that because they live in a city many think is cool, that somehow makes them cool. These people are not willing to be objective about things because if they admit there's something wrong with their city, they think that it automatically reflects badly on them as a person.

And take a look at the people who are chastising this list the most.............where are they from? That is not to say that this list is perfect, which it can never be, as it is strongly subjective. But just notice who complains the most.

Yes, you basically summed up the majority of City-Data in a nutshell...

[machiavelli1]

Originally Posted by grapico

Yes, QOL so high in Istanbul...
This is why Turkey has had such an *easy* time getting into the EU.

here is how other feel for acquis communaitaire...
1. Free Movement of Goods Further efforts needed 16.1.2006 24.2.2006 – – 11.12.2006
2. Freedom of Movement for Workers Very hard to adopt 19.7.2006 11.9.2006 – – –
3. Right of Establishment for companies & Freedom to provide Services Very hard to adopt 21.11.2005 20.12.2005 3.10.2005 – 11.12.2006
4. Free Movement of Capital Further efforts needed 25.11.2005 22.12.2005 – – –
5. Public Procurement Totally incompatible with acquis 7.11.2005 28.11.2005 – – –
6. Company Law Considerable efforts needed 21.6.2006 20.7.2006 17.6.2008 – –
7. Intellectual Property Law Further efforts needed 6.2.2006 3.3.2006 17.6.2008 – –
8. Competition Policy Very hard to adopt 8.11.2005 2.12.2005 – – –
9. Financial Services Considerable efforts needed 29.3.2006 3.5.2006 3.10.2005 – 11.12.2006
10. Information Society & Media Further efforts needed 12.6.2006 14.7.2006 19.12.2008 – –
11. Agriculture & Rural Development Very hard to adopt 5.12.2005 26.1.2006 – – 11.12.2006
12. Food safety, Veterinary & Phytosanitary Policy Very hard to adopt 9.3.2006 28.4.2006 – – –
13. Fisheries Very hard to adopt 24.2.2006 31.3.2006 – – 11.12.2006
14. Transport Policy Considerable efforts needed 26.6.2006 28.9.2006 – – 11.12.2006
15. Energy Considerable efforts needed 15.5.2006 16.6.2006 – – –
16. Taxation Considerable efforts needed 6.6.2006 12.7.2006 30.6.2009 – –
17. Economic & Monetary Policy Considerable efforts needed 16.2.2006 23.3.2006 19.12.2008 – –
18. Statistics Considerable efforts needed 19.6.2006 18.7.2006 25.06.2007 – –
19. Social Policy & Employment Considerable efforts needed 8.2.2006 22.3.2006 – – –
20. Enterprise & Industrial Policy No major difficulties expected 27.3.2006 5.5.2006 29.03.2007 – –
21. Trans-European Networks Considerable efforts needed 30.6.2006 29.9.2006 19.12.2007[27] – –
22. Regional Policy & Coordination of Structural Instruments Considerable efforts needed 11.9.2006 10.10.2006 – – –
23. Judiciary & Fundamental Rights Considerable efforts needed 7.9.2006 13.10.2006 – – –
24. Justice, Freedom & Security Considerable efforts needed 23.1.2006 15.2.2006 – – –
25. Science & Research No major difficulties expected 20.10.2005 14.11.2005 12.06.2006 12.06.2006 –
26. Education & Culture Further efforts needed 26.10.2005 16.11.2005 – – –
27. Environment Totally incompatible with acquis 3.4.2006 2.6.2006 – – –
28. Consumer & Health Protection Further efforts needed 8.6.2006 11.7.2006 19.12.2007[27] – –
29. Customs Union No major difficulties expected 31.1.2006 14.3.2006 – – 11.12.2006
30. External Relations No major difficulties expected 10.7.2006 13.9.2006 – – 11.12.2006
31. Foreign, Security & Defence Policy Further efforts needed 14.9.2006 6.10.2006 – – –
32. Financial Control Further efforts needed 18.5.2006 30.6.2006 3.10.2005 – –
33. Financial & Budgetary Provisions No major difficulties expected

Beirut is an amazing city too...but would hardly rank it as worlds best. There are others that are rather funny to me ... but it might hit home too much for all the homers out there. Istanbul, I think I make a pretty good assumption that most of you have never been.

Sounds like you are very bitter than San Fran was not even in the top 10

Talk about homerism, pot meet kettle

[NycToTokyo]

I agree the list is pretty good in terms of which cities are mentioned but what I have a problem with is the actual ranking/scoring system which has the same BS categories that I always see mentioned.

For example why is World Status a category and why is given equal scoring with the other categories? For 99% of people in the real world a city's "world status" is meaningless in terms of one's ability to enjoy a city....especially when that is pretty much what most of the other categories are taking into account. If a city had a perfect 10 in every single category except "World Status" it could STILL be beaten by New York according to their ranking system which is simply ridiculous. IMO such a category is just to add fluff points.

Secondly how in the heck are they determining quality of life? I'm laughing out loud at Tokyo receiving a 4 in that category. It's vastly safer than New York, has a better transport system, and it is much much cheaper to actually live in the heart of the city. I've lived a significant amount of time in both cities on roughly the same level of income and my quality of life in Tokyo was significantly greater than that of New York's. Now if you're comparing the two cities based on being mega rich then maybe New York would have Tokyo beat, or if you're comparing living way out in the suburbs, but for an middle income person wanting to really experience big city life Tokyo > New York. A BRAND NEW apartment in the center of Tokyo, within 6-7 minutes walking distance from Shinjuku or Shibuya (two of the most happening places in Tokyo), can be had for around $1200 per month. Now see how far $1,200 will get you near the most happening places on the island.....

[LINative]

Originally Posted by grapico

Considering quality of life was one of the criteria, they should have been. But I guess they missed that, and so did you. Considering the quality of the publication, this is no surprise.
As for world status, this isn't exactly Constantinople when the other rival was set on fire by the Visigoths...

Very good catch Grapico. I was starting to agree about what Deezus said than you made me realize that they are measuring "Quality of Life" and World Status" which has nothing to do with travel. Not to mention, they claim its their Greatest City Ranking.

Also rate up for the Constantinople line! I wonder how many people know what other city was set on fire by the Visgoths?

[Rachael84]

Originally Posted by MantaRay

I know a guy from Turkey who can't stand Istanbul because of how ridiculously crowded it is and because of how ridiculous the traffic is. He goes back over to see family, but he's always ready to get away from there.

Now that I think of it, that also seems to be the case for a lot of retirees from NYC- can't get out of NYC quick enough. There's a retired couple just like that in my neighborhood.

My family has always retired in Manhattan. You'd be surprised how many people love to be in Manhattan when they're retired. They're not anxiously waiting to get out of like you think.

[Rachael84]

Woohoo NY, we always knew you were number 1

[machiavelli1]

Originally Posted by Rachael84

Woohoo NY, we always knew you were number 1

Just like any other link (including the ones you say were not credible because NY was not #1) it is just an opinion piece and not scientific

[Rachael84]

Originally Posted by machiavelli1

Just like any other link (including the ones you say were not credible because NY was not #1) it is just an opinion piece and not scientific

But it's yet another article that says we're #1, that's more credible than most

[machiavelli1]

Originally Posted by Rachael84

But it's yet another article that says we're #1, that's more credible than most

It is not more credible than most. It is only credible to you because it says what you want to hear

If London Paris and Tokyo had been above NY you would be crying and banging your head on the keyboard screaming "its not fair, this article is biased and not credible"

[TANaples]

I don't know how many of you people have been to Europe. When you tell a European that you are American, they automatically ask "NYC or Hollywood?". It is true. Texas is COWBOYS to them. Most wouldn't know Houston from Flagstaff. Florida is MICKEY MOUSE and Miami is the same as Orlando to them.