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09-18-2009, 03:32 PM
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Nashville vs. Charlotte (including durham area, can talk about memphis in the debate)
Originally had posted this topic, moved it to city v. city, however it being a duplicate post I tried to delete one of them to no avail, then both posts got deleted because it was as a mirror duplicate , however when the duplicate was deleted, another moderate deleted the other post thinking it was still duplicated perhaps at similar times.
A poster recently asked which city in the southeast preferably the Carolina's can be the next Atlanta besides Charlotte.
I notice people are still moving to Tennessee albeit maybe at a slower rate, nashville and even charlotte or not my cup of tea that much, but I love to be informative and gain people's ideas as to what they think of a place, because it could be someone elses cup of tea, including family and friends.
To give you a city-city comparison and why and what you should know, here are a few ideas.
1. Tennessee has no income tax on most income but does tax dividends and interest , however the property taxes around Nashville are about the same as Charlotte, there is also no personal property tax in Tennessee. Williamson county has lower taxes, you can talk about Williamson if you like, but its a bit further out than Nashville, more on that later. Tennessee also has estate/inheritance tax like NC but SC I believe doesn't have it , neither does any other state in the southeast, kinda unique.
North Carolina has much higher taxes, although the estate tax may have a large exemption it still has a tax I believe , it has personal property taxes as well
2. Charlotte is a bit more closer to the northeast by driving than say Nashville.
3. Charlotte has received a lot of media attention lately, and the banks in the past have received a lot of attention, although there is more to Charlotte than the banks such as duke energy, nascar, and others banking represents a large part of the Charlotte economy, what are your thoughts on the future.
4. Diversity and influx of people, a lot of people from all over the Us have moved to Charlotte and to durham area, I note durham area is becoming diverse and charlotte to a less extent but diversity doesn't have to be due to race, it can be different people coming from different parts of the country,
So its probably different from Nashville, but immigrants and a lot of people are moving to the Nashville area, 10-20 years from now?
5. Architecture and layout, Charlotte has its skyscrapers and building new ones, Nashville less so although the ATT tower and the signature tower was hyped,
one person commented that the Signature tower even if it brought people downtown he preferred the outside suburbs because Nashville's layout didn't make the downtown area that vibrant due to traffic concerns, roads leading to other places,etc
Others may say suburbs area bit boring.
5. Your thoughts on opinion on these, I note the signature tower has been scaled back, do you think its a great option, it will not be as taller but the developer wanted it to be one of the tallest buildings in the southeast .
6. Tennessee is very much a red state, more red than before, some people have said its very conservative and people are less open, now of course people have their own beliefs and judgments and perception can be a bit different, however in contrast to North Carolina, do you see immigration and even native born Americans moving from Florida and North Carolina changing this soon?
Other issues
7. North Carolina has become a bluer state, I will withhold a bit of judgment on the favor ability of this , on one hand , its progress towards diversity for some people, sharing values, the right direction, the other however an environment already high taxes, combining the two from independents may say its high taxed without much benefit, a moderate may like it, but scoff at two conflicting scenarios in which it becomes unbalanced.
8. Tennessee is a land locked state, its seems also as if it has more in common with Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana ,Arkansas? is this true, and does being a land locked state have disadvantages such as access to beaches although Charlotte and even Durham is still inland. Some have said North Carolina's advantages are beaches and mountains and not being so much like South Carolina although the two have a lot in common, and in Charlotte right next to each other.
Does this also effect strength of the economy and ports, in your opinion? Even if the above were true with the rest of the South, does Tennessee have more in common with Kentucky then for a better argument?
9. Is Tennessee more laid back than North Carolina, people have commented stores closing early, and what not but people are moving there , asian immigrants too I hear, I note that the politics seem more laid back conservatism, its become a much more conservative and redder state in contrast to NC.
10. Nashville I would argue is the heart of Tennessee or at least , for a better word (even though its in the middle), the main economic area, sure there is memphis but the latter has a lot of issues that make comparison to charlotte or durham a bit less on scale. Cities like Knoxville and Chattanooga are a bit smaller in terms of metro scale and potential (no signature towers there soon or mass migration like the former?), the tri cities are even more to a less extent and have more homogeneity.
Knoxville does have its flagship university. Speaking of which besides vanderbilt there doesn't seem to be much in the way of high quality or renounced universities although UT knox does have a certain prestige its pretty much what knoxville depends on and is not in the economic centers, does this affect it greatly, vs. NC duke, UNC chapel, wake forest,etc
11. Do you consider Nashville, to be in the Stroke belt, how about allergies , air, what other disadvantages inland, A lot of magazines have pointed out Tennessee recently as becoming on par with North Carolina in economic development and new businesses.
12. Would you argue you have better business opportunities there, taxes aside, what about the influx of people is it enough to change with 10-20 years or will it take much much longer, access to capital, money in the area, and also note wages in Tennessee are a bit low too.
13. Do you think Tennessee is going to slow, Memphis and a lot of cities still have status quo along with respective counties, Nashville seems like the only place that can be on par with Charlotte, Durham, if not state , getting back to the political environment, politics, immigration, and in country migration, and media attention, how true is this and will it effect business in your opinion.
Is it going slow but not too slow (the right pace), aka slower than NC but not too slow or is it going at the rate pace but not going to fast (anyday now, small states get diverse but it will take decades to change), or do you hate the fact that its moving in the wrong direction , slow in wrong way such as immigration and immigrations bringing crime and not enough skilled workforce like other cities, noise pollution, infrastructure not built can influence this opinion based on a city's layout and planning, or becoming more conservative and close minded or not becoming like NC(good/bad?), or going slow but not too fast to keep up with changes and less media hype, and the potential for change is there, or just very slow, in that its slow enough to make the place a little less boring, that's all everyday or to keep a pace.
14. In this debate , besides land locking, I notice tennesee may suffer from memphis being folks from arkansas, mississippi, and such commute to memphis, leaving nashville as an advantage, especially with no state income tax , and shelby county have high tax rates, similar situation in Chattanooga?
15. Post more later, but let's start the interesting conversation shall we. A bit of rambling, but I know.
Again, there was an interesting conversation, but a duplicate post was created in city v. city which nobody replied too, the first post was debated before being deleted for duplicate but the other post was deleted too as one of the moderates saw it duplicated on general us. I was unable to delete the first post in which nobody replied too. Hope this doesn't happen again.
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09-18-2009, 05:47 PM
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Location: Boston Metro
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Why do you have to wright so much
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09-19-2009, 02:49 AM
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Why do you have to wright so much
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I know right! Uz doun sawth kant reed awl dat yik ***. 
All jokes aside, what exactly are we comparing? (or should I just cut and paste my comments from the last thread just like this one).
Here is my first post from that thread.
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Originally Posted by urbancharlotte
Um, I am not quite sure what this thread is asking, but I'll try to give my 2 cents. The south (as a whole) will rise together. The south (as a whole) will sink together. I don't expect any "leap-frogging" to occur with any of the Southern cities or Southern states. The business and political infrastructure is pretty much in place now.
In other words, the same forces that would cause Atlanta to "fall off" would most likely be the same forces that causes Charlotte and Nashville to "fall off". Keep in mind, when the rust belt "fell off" almost every city in that region "fell off" together. The south is no different.
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09-19-2009, 09:53 AM
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Location: Charleston
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I'll just say I visited Nashville about 8 years ago as well as Memphis and was suprised to see that Nashville was a much bigger city than I thought. The atmophere was very lively and I love the look and feel of the surrounding area with the hills and the Cumberland River. Memphis on the other hand, was a disppontment except for Beale street. On a Staurday evening, it seemed the only place in the area that had any life. As far as Charlotte, as I stated before it didn't impress me. It looks brand spanking new with its glistening skyscrappers etc but there wasn't much going on when I went there.
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09-19-2009, 11:22 AM
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09-19-2009, 01:11 PM
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Location: Boston Metro
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Originally Posted by urbancharlotte
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Who said Charlotte was dead
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09-19-2009, 01:25 PM
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Location: Charleston
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Ok Ok... So maybe I haven't been there in a while. I'm supposed to be heading up there later next week so I'll get another chance to check it out..
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09-19-2009, 04:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by urbancharlotte
I know right! Uz doun sawth kant reed awl dat yik ***.
All jokes aside, what exactly are we comparing? (or should I just cut and paste my comments from the last thread just like this one).
Here is my first post from that thread. |
Copying/pasting your previous comments are okay, I had orginally posted in the General US forum and then city v. city, couldn't delete the first forum and provided a link to city v. city, post got deleted to a duplicate in city v. city but not before another moderate deleted the city v. city post for being duplicated in general US (mirror effect).
Starting a fresh, an interesting conversation stir up , I didn't believe one would stir up in that fashion. |
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09-19-2009, 06:12 PM
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Charlotte is a better choice because it's more cosmopolitan and has taller skyscrapers, but I think Nashville will be stepping on it's heels in the near future. Nashville is kinda where Charlotte was 10-15 years ago where people knew it existed, but didn't know much about it. This is slowly changing though.
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09-21-2009, 04:19 PM
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Yes, I agree although Nashville as I mentioned above does have same design layout, image, cultural issues (some folks like that, they may prefer the suburbs or suburban culture and like the way Nashville is designed as opposed to have a more planned, vibrant downtown with the signature tower).
The question, thereof what lies in its future v. the two cities, I wrote statements to give the reader an idea of what is being debated and what is happening, and some of the issues/planning/politics/geography/demographics to help them give the best concise and thought provoking answer.
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