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View Poll Results: Which City is more Urban???
Miami 129 52.44%
Houston 39 15.85%
Dallas 25 10.16%
Atlanta 53 21.54%
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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Compared to what ride here it looks like you just road a train under a shed.that's not a true underground tunnel. With a onesided platform. You need to ride a real subway system and you will feel the difference.
So your complaint is that DART is ugly? This post is baseless. The fact that youre getting defensive says that you understand our side of the arguement.

Have you ever ridden DART? Ive ridden both MARTA, DART, and most major rail systems. Underground systems look better and feel more urban. Both get you from point A to point B.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Compared to what ride here it looks like you just road a train under a shed.that's not a true underground tunnel. With a onesided platform. You need to ride a real subway system and you will feel the difference.
Last thing I'm worried about when riding rail is it being underground or above it. The purpose of rail is to just like LAnative said. To get you from Point A to Point B. Image is not something I care about.

While your still arguing about MARTA being heavy rail and more urban; DART is going to be expanding out to it's suburbs, as well as different parts of the inner city. You'll still be driving out the majority of ATL's suburbs. PERIOD.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:38 AM
 
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Honestly who cares? Once again really how hard is it to accept DART will cover more ground than MARTA in the future.
Do we care that dallas will cover more ground NO. We have a real subway system which I'm happy and we will allways hold the title as most used system. Our stations are in a more urban setting which I can shop eat and go to work without getting on a bus
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Funky Town, Texas
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We understand Dart will cover more ground. But it won carry numbers that marta has you cqan have 12 lines but if no one is riding it then what's the point of having. I'm fine with the coverage marta has because I live in midtownaand its right down the street from my house
As Dallas ridership increase you can always add more trains. Capacity want be a issue. I looked at the DART trains and some had more trains than other depending on the demand for the area.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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This is a response to all of the past "heavy rail is faster than light rail" comments. I used to live in Atlanta for a short time. I often used MARTA to get around just for the heck of it. From my station (Indian Creek) to Five Points was usually 18 to 23 minutes. This was a distance of nearly 10 miles or so. I currently live in Charlotte and use light rail. From the I-485 station to 7th Street station (almost 10 miles) is a 20 to 25 minute ride. The fact that light rail drops you off on the street (and does not have turnstiles) saves you 5 minutes of walking vs. heavy rail.

My point is that heavy rail trains are much larger and they do have higher top speeds. However, a typical commute on both (from my experience) has taught me that top speed isn't everything. I am not sure about Dallas, but in the case of Charlotte's small system and Atlanta's beautiful MARTA; Charlotte gets you from point A to point B faster simply because of design.

I personally like heavy rail better, but the "heavy rail is faster" argument is a dated myth. It is all about the specific line design. Not the type of rail.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Do we care that dallas will cover more ground NO. We have a real subway system which I'm happy and we will allways hold the title as most used system. Our stations are in a more urban setting which I can shop eat and go to work without getting on a bus
LOL this defeats the whole purpose of this conversation. The objective of rail is to move you across the city, and possibly become an alternative to the car. You guys enjoy your heavy rail system with limited destinations; while Dallasites are leaving their cars at home because they have the option of taking rail to any destination they desire.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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So your complaint is that DART is ugly? This post is baseless. The fact that youre getting defensive says that you understand our side of the arguement.

Have you ever ridden DART? Ive ridden both MARTA, DART, and most major rail systems. Underground systems look better and feel more urban. Both get you from point A to point B.
I'm not getting defensive sorrynot that serious. That's like saying Dallas and Dc are on the same level because they get you from point A to Point B or nYc or SF systems Dallas is not inferior to those system right? Because they serve the same purpose right
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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I'm not getting defensive sorrynot that serious. That's like saying Dallas and Dc are on the same level because they get you from point A to Point B or nYc or SF systems Dallas is not inferior to those system right? Because they serve the same purpose right
No, your logic is flawed and your comparison is weak. DC, NYC, and SF are much more dense and urban cities than Dallas. Sprawl isn't as bad there as it is in ATL and Dallas. Why do you think ATL and Dallas have so much more mileage of rail compared to those cities? Because they sprawl more and the population centers are more spread out.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:03 AM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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I'm not getting defensive sorrynot that serious. That's like saying Dallas and Dc are on the same level because they get you from point A to Point B or nYc or SF systems Dallas is not inferior to those system right? Because they serve the same purpose right
That is the absolute worst comparrison Ive ever heard. DC, NYC, and San Francisco have superior systems because of how extensive their coverage is, not because it looks better or because its underground. Also these cities are dense urban centers (Dallas or Atlanta will never be able to touch the densities these cities have). Its easier to be that extensive when you have cities set up like that.

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Old 09-23-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I dont agree that light rail is inferior to heavy rail. The advantage of light rail is it more flexible than heavy rail. It has the ability to make frequent stops. With heavy rail you can't do that. People how hard is it to accept that DART in the future will cover more ground than MARTA.
You can see the difference by watching. See how long it takes the DART train to travel 2.74 miles from Mockingbird station to City Center station. In comparison check out how long it takes MARTA to travel 3.00 miles from Arts Center station to Five Points station and that's with it making stops at Midtown, North Avenue, Civic Center and Peachtree Center stations in between.


DART red/green line from Mockingbird Sta to City Center Sta

YouTube - Mockingbird Station To Cityplace Station


MARTA from Arts Center Sta to Five Points Sta with stops at Midtown, North Ave, Peachtree, and Civic Center Stations.

YouTube - MARTA Arts Center to Five Points
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